Welcome to YachtForums DDD. Fun topic, but what context did you have in mind by "looking at a project"? So far as style goes, I think the PJ is hard to beat. But the big Bagliettos are also intriguing - http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/baglietto-yacht/3549-baglietto-105-a.html Kelly
The PJ's have a great design although the salon is a little small for my taste. Therefore you'll get a huge aft deck. It could also be build a little lighter. This would increase performance or give an equal performance with smaller engines. Darn Choices The Baglietto 115 is nice too, but the design is a little over the top. The PJ 120 Vanquish is for sale at €15mln ex VAT. If you want to buy a PJ 120, prepare for a stiff waiting list. Azimuth, Sunseeker etc are production yachts. A lot cheaper but simply not as refined. At least Baglietto and PJ build in Aluminium.
as always you will be also looking for reliability and quality. take a look at warren yachts. their s87 gets better with each one produced, and they are building a 120' similar to the pj. let me know if you want more info. charlie
We have all mentioned the most obvious choices in the market, but we have also seen them hundreds of times. Lets get to the drawing boards and make it an open design thread. Lars can be the judge! (we'll exclude him from participation because we wouldn't stand a chance )
Good idea! Not that I understand why they call this kind of boats Open, and not that I understand why they all look the same, but please go ahead! (To me an open boat is open like this; http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/5743-post11.html ) Let´s make the rules simple; Just a profile, 100 feet, the typical hard top with no flybridge. Post your drawings here, no wider than the usual 640 p before Saturday the 12:th of January ....
Saturday morning? I know that you can draw a profile in the same time a regular person visits the toilet, but saturday morning? I'll give it a shot. I also have to prepare our stand for the Boot Düsseldorf this week, but there's nothing like a stiff dead-line. FYI, I'll start from the waterline up, because I'm not a Naval Architect or designer. Okay, lets look for some inspiration. Ah, this month's Playboy will do. always good to add some spicey curves to a design.
The original post is as a result of the demand of a new client. I have a few buyers that were mistreated by local Florida brokers and turned to me. This client is an athlete and want something with more space that will not look old next month. My original post was to see what design I should point him to. He loves the concept of the Azimut but not the quality.
"will not look old next month" In that size, that may be a trick question. There are so few players with sportyachts that big, it's hard to see any trends. Since my "rude" credentials are unquestioned, how about a flybridge that size, plus 40' zip boat for play? Kelly
Maybe this would be the world's first yacht with an astro-turf deck? You client obviously has his mind set on an Azimuth but than better. I would suggest, if the brokers don't work, get a build consultant. I'm sure someone knows a good cosultant in the US. If he's thinking about a custom build, prepare for twice the costs of the Azimuth. Whether the design will rapidly age is also something for your customer to judge. Aging of the design is always an issue with express cruisers. They are designed to appeal to people with a fast lifestyle. They aim for people that buy on impuls rather than experience. They are usually used for 3 to 4 years before they are thrown back on the market. My 2 cents would go to Palmer Johnson. It looks good, is properly build and is American which avoids shedding tears on Dollar depreciation. Another contender in this segment is the Mangusta. Good luck with the search
I have to correct this reply. I spoke to the "former owner" of Pantera and he told me that the yard has gone bankrupt and is closed. So lets get the Pantera out of the race.
I have heard of Buyers Broker, Project Manager and Construction Surveyor, but never a Build Consultant? Is this a licensed operation?
Build consultant, Yacht consultant, the kid needs a name. It's one of the guts you mentioned in your reply
Build consultant, yacht consultant, buyers broker, project manager.... they are all the same. A person that assist a client with the aquisition of a yacht. My client, a south american soccer player went to a LICENSED broker to buy a yacht for the family. He showed the broker a picture a yacht he saw in Liverpool...a tri-deck full displacement...the broker sent him a contract on a used 73 footer made in China. Our team is made up of a two captains of 40 years who are Licensed as a brokers, a naval engineer , one of the suppliers of Italian yacht furniture, a few silent investors and myself. We are presently looking for an exterior designer/naval architect that will not conform to the same old designs. Yes, we are registered and licensed... well according to our attorney.
So why bother using a broker or likeminded? You have everything within your ranks. The YF has a pretty extensive designers database. Perhaps browsing through them will give an idea. Designers usually have their prefered shipyards, like Dubois and Alloy yachts etc. This way you can have a design at your liking and a shipyard and engineers that have worked on several projects. So in my opinion you order a production boat out of a catalogue (or a webshop ) or contact a designer and start from scratch.
I really like the Windy boats from Norway. Especially the 52 Xanthos. Picture is taken from the official Windy website.