Click for Westport Click for Perko Click for Westport Click for Cross Privacy Matters

Dropped RPMS

Discussion in 'Post Yacht' started by bradlangdon, May 3, 2026.

You need to be registered and signed in to view this content.
  1. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    I fear it's another epidemic, contagious poor thoughts beyond factory specs to about every engine builder.
    It will never be found in any factory manual explaining a fine filter first.
    Even here in the swamps, at the stills, we understand course filters first.

    I did find that DDC secondary cartridge (filters that go into the metal housing) factory spec; 22 mic.
    The finest factory secondary (spin on) filter is around 10 mic.

    Old Detroits flow lots of fuel.
    Old Detroits can near burn anything other than water.
    High performance 6-71 would luv great fuel but what ever you are burning, it needs a lot of it flowing.

    But I have been drawn into a side topic and digressed.

    Please check the blower bypass hoses and install a pressure gauge on the last filter output rite before the engine.
  2. bradlangdon

    bradlangdon New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2025
    Messages:
    36
    Location:
    510 SW South Carolina Drive, Stuart
    UPDATE! Went to boat last night and noted that there was quite a bit of black , slimy, algae looking sediment in the bowls on both Racors. The life span on these being changed is unsure so I am starting from scratch on that end. I am quite certain that this is bad enough to be the problem. I am sharing pictures as soon as I can upload them.
  3. YachtForums

    YachtForums Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    20,857
    Location:
    South Florida
    Brad, if you have trouble uploading the pics, send them to me and I'll add them to the thread.

    email addy removed
  4. bradlangdon

    bradlangdon New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2025
    Messages:
    36
    Location:
    510 SW South Carolina Drive, Stuart
    Carl, just sent those pics to you so you can upload them. Thank you.
  5. YachtForums

    YachtForums Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    20,857
    Location:
    South Florida
    Here you go...

    Attached Files:

  6. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    That's not to bad but a great start.
    Send a pic of the media (filter).

    I use Paint to quickly downsize photos to less than 650 pix on my desktop.
  7. bradlangdon

    bradlangdon New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2025
    Messages:
    36
    Location:
    510 SW South Carolina Drive, Stuart
    Capt Ralph, that was after whiping them out pretty good. the bottom of the bucket had alot in there. I am hoping that was it and I am sea trialing tonight.
  8. Greg Page

    Greg Page Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    483
    Location:
    Annapolis MD
    Have you been running bio-cide to keep fuel clean? Once it gets algee may need to have fuel and tanks cleaned?
    bradlangdon likes this.
  9. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    Why am I confused?

    By the way; 10 mic filters would be crushed in by now.
    d_meister likes this.
  10. Robertoman

    Robertoman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2010
    Messages:
    79
    Location:
    San Diego
    Capt Ralph, you are right about the 30 mic filters.
    I made a mistake when I typed about using the finer filters for primary filters.
    Happens every time I start drinking swampwater!
    You are not confused.
    Thank you for your knowledge
  11. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    I have the same problems with swampwater,
    rum,
    bourbon,
    vodka,
    diesel..

    If my Detroits can burn it, I can drink it.
  12. bradlangdon

    bradlangdon New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2025
    Messages:
    36
    Location:
    510 SW South Carolina Drive, Stuart
    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
  13. bradlangdon

    bradlangdon New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2025
    Messages:
    36
    Location:
    510 SW South Carolina Drive, Stuart
    I am now for sure, running biobor and Diesel Kleen .
  14. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,844
    Location:
    Fort Lauderdale
    Skip the Biobor. You need water to grow algae, so first change your fuel fill o-rings to stop the water from getting in to begin with. Secondly buy "Clear diesel" from Power Service (they manufacture Diesel Kleen) but this works much better for your situation. Run 10 micron racors and be prepared to change them, this will get more of the Gloopy crap without having to change and prime secondaries (change secondaries every third racor change, every 2nd if running 30's). 30 Microns are outdated since we switched to the lower sulpher offroad diesel, it's too large of passages as the algae particles aren't as large as they used to be . CAT, MAN, VOLVO and other engine manufacturers now recommend and/or require (most require) 10 micron pre-filters. Call your local MAN,CAT, Volvo dealer and ask them if you don't believe it. After 2 tank fulls of Clear diesel, Then run a diesel biocide from Power Service (the company that makes Diesel Kleen) or continue clear diesel as it has a biocide in it.\

    Clear-Diesel Fuel & Tank Cleaner
    d_meister likes this.
  15. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    Modern, super high pressure, super fine injector tips, common rail pumps, super fast computer controlled injector valve require super finely clean fuel.
    Yes, Mfg's are requiring finer filtering solutions.
    None are recommending a change in filter schedules with finer first.
    AND, Detroit's do not require these supper fine and expensive filter plans.

    What I hope Skippy J is recommending with finer filter first is a temporary path until your ship's fuel and tanks are clean again.
    It might be convenient to just change the first filter knowing it will be trashed quickly.
  16. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    13 years ago I learned about snake oils. This is my aft fuel tank pick-up after my first use of these products.

    aft tank fuel pick-up 002a.jpg

    If you have a dirty tank, get it cleaned and fuel polished by a real shop.
  17. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    On my 12V71TIs, Detroit spec'd 30 mic and 16 mic. Always ran great.
    I added a middle filter that was between 17 & 20 mic with a water bowl also.
    Funny that that second water bowl was collecting water (Racor stopped using real fish oil).
    Still ran great.
    Then like a Stuff For Brains, I installed 4-5 mic (black filter) as a final secondary. Lost 300 RPM off the top.
    Going back to the factory 16 mic this weekend.
    20150525_184030 a.JPG 20250116_125629a.jpg 20250116_125709a.jpg

    Why I bring all this up? I think your secondary is rated around 20 mic.
    Your cannon bore injectors are going to starve during your cleaning process running 10 mic primary filters.
  18. bradlangdon

    bradlangdon New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2025
    Messages:
    36
    Location:
    510 SW South Carolina Drive, Stuart
    Ok so, here is where we are. I have this exact situation, WOT under load is exactly same with both engines @2050 RPM WOT under load under way, at dock "no load" is reaching 2600 + on both engines. Both engines have normal temps, oil pressures, gear pressures, gear temps, all normal with one exception. I have changed the primaries and secondaries already. There is zero black smoke while underway operating normally . It simply will not turn up. If you fire wall it at idle in forward gear it will smoke for no more than two seconds and it clears right up and then hits 2050 and stops, both engines act identical. I ran the boat two weekends ago and noted that the aft tank dropped to 5/8 load and the forward tank essentially did not move on the gauge. I was under the impression that the aft tank feeds the starboard engine and the forward tank feeds the generator and the port engine. I also was under the assumption that the aft tank will gravity feed the forward tank so that the forward tank would essentially stay full until the levels equal out somewhat???? Given that I have zero black smoke unless I really , unusually, hammer down on the throttles - I assume that my RPM issue at WOT under load is a fuel restriction of some sort. I am wondering if there is a restriction on that aft tank, would that cause both engines to perform under WOT norms since the aft tank essentially gravity feeds the forward tank thus causing a total system restriction?? Does anyone have an owners manual for a 1989 Post Yachts 43 Convertible with 671TIB's? I could really use some help from all of you awesome Post people. I am pretty experienced in diesels but this one is stumping me and it is probably me not seeing the trees for the forest. LOL
  19. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    14,358
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    Then you have vacuum and pressure gauges ready to be installed.
    Without them we are all just guessing.
    20150525_184030 b.jpg
    20250116_125629c.jpg
  20. Greg Page

    Greg Page Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    483
    Location:
    Annapolis MD
    The 43 Post aft tank will siphon/gravity feed to the forward tank if the shutoff vales at both aft tank and fwd tank ends of the fuel transfer line are open, the aft tank has more fuel in it than the forward tank (higher physical fuel level) "and" the line/aft pickup already has fuel in it from running the transfer previously. I always keep the fwd tank transfer valve shut unless activly using the transfer pump (easier one to get to) so I know how much fuel each tank will take. I usually keep 100 gallons more in the aft tank as the boat seems to ride better that way.
    Last edited: May 12, 2026 at 12:03 PM