We got a 2020 Outrage 350 as a tender for the 110 I run. Good condition, feels solid and nice layout but so far I m not impressed with the electrics. It feels like Boston Whaler hired former Mutt engineers to design the system. Apologies to our Italian friends the boat has a 24VDC thruster with the 2 batteries installed deep in the fwd bilge along with a Pronautic charger. Also down low in the bilge which has a tiny bilge pump and no high water alarm (already remedied) problem is that you can only charge the shore power batteries on shore power. I guess in the typical day outing scenario, it’s no big deal as you will recharge the batteries after you get back to your home slip. But when using the boat as tender back n forth to shore with a lot of docking it means having to run a shore cable at night from big boat to the little one. doesn’t make a lot of sense to me… thinking about adding a 12-24 charger so the batteries recharge whenever the engines are running anyone familiar with the new Victron Orion 1400 XS? 70 amp multi voltage. I would power it from the center engine / house bank (two batteries). L https://www.victronenergy.com/dc-dc-converters/orion-xs-dc-dc-battery-chargers
I use the Orion XS 12v dc to 12v dc 50 amp to charge my house bank on my personal boat, it works great, it has a ton of features that you control from the APP on your phone, which also gives you state of charge. You can also program how many amps it charges, starting voltages, stopping voltage, battery type, and on and on. So you could set it to 30 AH of charge or more or less straight from your phone.
There should be a ACR that allows for charging when Port and starboard engines are running. PM me on this.
I looked and haven’t found it. Not mentioned in the manual either. There ACRs near the main batteries but as far as I can see they re not for the thruster bank.
I have good experience with Victron products and the apps for iPad and phone, great stuff. Center engine you said: You have triple outboards on a tender? Even a single outboard with a 50 to 80 amp alternator can charge the bow thruster batteries in a few minutes.
Doubt it.. I had solar panels on 2 boats, 150 watts on a sailboat and even with a boosted charger I was lucky to see 10 amp/hrs on a perfect day in the Exumas at high noon with no air pollution and the sun right over us. Clouds would cut that in 1/2 to 1/4 and rain to nothing. Solar panels are great for long term anchoring, but for a tender buzzing around, much easier to hook up one of the alternators to the thruster batteries. (Don’t even need a charger, the outboard should charge..(wait, a 24 volt thruster and a 12 volt stator?) Who installed the 24 volt thruster on a 12 volt boat?
Thrusters are used little. I think just a lil trickle back to them during the day would help. But you know what I think about bow thrusters; Real boat drivers don't need them. That's what I asked post #5.
Yes 24 vdc thruster with two g31. Factory install. I m not impressed by the electrical a, for instance the AC panel has a small analog voltmeter which is pretty much useless. i agree that a thruster is an overkill on a boat that size but I won’t be the one driving the tender much. I want to make it easy on the crew. And some docks can be crowded when we pick up Or drop off guests when anchored in the Bahamas, we may not need to power the tender at night so I really want the thruster batteries charged while underway. Will also avoid deep discharge which shorten life.
4 machine screw nuts off, 24V motor off. 4 machine nuts on, 12V motor back back on. 2 battery cable connects off / on. VS; The added complication of any electronic gizmo to make this mess work and charge from your single engine thru an ACR. KW vs KW is still the same. Who ever installed that 24V motor should walk a plank up here in the swamps (chomp, chomp).. Sorry brother, I still believe in K I S S. Simplicity will pay off in a short time.
The hardest part of the job will be to run wires from the 12v bank in the rear to the thruster at the bow and it will be needed in both cases. will also need to add an ACR to charge the thruster batteries. And replace the 24v charger with a 12 volt charger …
The mystery deepens… The boat cavity manual states the thruster is 24Vdc The electrical panel is labeled 24VDC thruster but… the meter for the thruster bank shows about 12v The BlueSea remote battery switch is marked 12vdc The two batteries are wired in parallel The Lewmar thruster motor is marked 12VDC The ProMariner charger is 24VDC. Needless to say it shows a fault and isn’t working. I have no record of the electrical side of the thruster having been worked on, just the gearbox. No other thruster work in the 6 years of maintenance record crazy.
Put a set of 24v batteries in the bow at whatever size you can fit, then run appropriate sized cables from rear bank to bow large enough to charge that bank but big enough to run the thruster itself. Then just need a large charger at the rear. A lot of new yacht builders are doing this
Almost impossible to run wiring on that boat. There is a chase but it’s full and everything else is sealed. I may just give up on charging while underway. I talked to the previous owner yesterday, he’s looking for a missing invoice. It appears marine max replaced the whole thruster a few months ago and for whatever reason used a 12 v motor and rewired the batteries to parallel. He didn’t use the thruster much so it s possible the batteries still held some charge.
I almost sprayed my morning coffee. Crazy that your working hard to figure this adventure out,, but to follow MM's work is comical. I'm not laughing at you brother, hopefully with you.
They also must have replaced the BlueSea remote battery switch from 24 to 12VDC… incredible. I was shaking my head going thru the invoices from MarineMax… things like Vacuflush not building enough vacuum … replace the whole pump. I guess they don’t know the duckbills are replaceable. And the list goes on.