What are the thoughts on adding solar to a 46 convertable? Not for full operation just to run the fridg, tv, and a couple lights over night while on an anchor or mooring?
I expect not very well. I should have been more specefic. What are the thoughts on adding solar to a 46.6c's electric system with a battery bank, inverter, and selector switch (shore,gen, inv)
I would start by simply building a battery bank that would run the inverter large enough to handle those items. Lithium batteries are quite small for the amount of AH they hold. It could then be charged during the day by the engines, or generator or a battery charger while on shore power.
No need for a power selector switch. Charger/Inverters are usually in line now days. This way the fridge keeps running automatically if you loose dock power. Just maybe a by-pass switch if your concerned with inverter failure/service. During daily operation, you will get higher re-charge rates from a gen-set or engine alternator than a solar panel. For extended anchoring out with out a fridge (or other heavy loads) running, solar charging is great for bilge pumps and alarms.
Thats kinda the plan. I'm wondering if anyone has had good or bad experiences doing this? Any mistakes that sound good but just don't work? Any manufactures better than the next? As far as Lithium batteries I think I'd shy away from them due to the chance of an uncontrollable fire. I know they are widely used and are safe but.
One approach might be to add the battery bank and inverter system first... then use it... evaluate... decide whether adding solar to that would be worth the effort. Saying "lithium" as a general class is slightly different from saying LiFePO4 (aka LFP). Latter are inside the whole lithium class, but a different lithium chemistry from the small batteries in laptops or hand tools or whatever... and reading suggests there are no known fire events caused by LFPs. None. Zip. Nada. -Chris
Don't know if you follow this guy but in the link I'll post he installed what appeared to me a great battery set up despite having 2 generators.
Great video and a lot of information. A much bigger system than I'm looking to do but I'll definitely look into the manufacturer.
The only reason I'm not a fan of Lithium is I've seen FD trying to put out lithium fires. It turns into a containment till it burns out not putting the fire out.
Understand, but "lithium" is a larger playing field than the smaller LFP subset. Ask your FD guys "which lithium" they were dealing with. Or try to find a documented case of LFP-caused fire. (I suspect there may have been boat fires where LFPs were installed, but the fire was caused by something else. No first-hand info on that, though.) -Chris
Something I inadvertently left out, Len: I'm not actually advocating for LFP. My focus was only about the safety (or not) perception. Cheers, -Chris
I looked into a similar set up a couple of years ago without the solar. Needed about 600 AH for running refrigeration without air conditioning. I typically run the gen at night for ac so recharging would happen then. A DIY installation was going to be around $4-6K. I ended up deciding against it as I didn't want another system to deal with. I have a 53 and couldn't figure out where to put the batteries as I did not want them in the living space even though the LFP track record is excellent. My engine room has enough stuff all ready and adding them there would add difficulty accessing them and other stuff. My decided path was to try to wear out my generator instead. With proper maintenance I figure I'll get close to 10-15 years out of it.
Chris, I am going to do more research on different batteries. I want to do it right once. Other people I know have done it but went half way or cheep. I dont mind running the generator, just trying to enjoy the quiet...
I have enjoyed my TelCom batteries for a many years now. AGM technology and bomb proof. Note the different foot print.
Capt Ralph, That looks nice and clean. A 3 bank 24v set-up? What size inverter are you running or is that for starters?
We run a Magnum 4024PAE. It provides 115/230Vac. The inverter will alarm at a conservative battery state of charge and auto start our small gen-set, recharge the 24Vdc battery bank and then shut down again. I have clamped on a second alternator to the port main engine. While underway inverter runs everything (no gen-set). Full sized refrigerator Chest freezer. Ice maker. Keurig coffee maker. Micro-wave oven. Bunch of lights. Bunch of big TVs. A few desktop computer systems. Air filter and fans. I have been planing for years but never wired the stateroom A/C to it. Using very conservative numbers, lets look at it this way; Poorly guessing, I would say in 5 years there is between 1500 to 2000 hours on this inverter. On a good day, down hill, with the wind & light loads, the lil gen-set (9kw) will consume over 0.5GPH. Off the truck, Diesel can sell for $3.00 a gallon. So; I do NOT consume $150.00 of fuel every 100 hours. So; I do NOT consume $1500.00 of fuel every 1000 hours. Slowly the inverter is paying for itself. AND, that is hours not on the gen-set (Wear & tear). When we purchased this boat 22 years ago, it had no gen-sets. To keep the beer cold while underway, we were using an inverter. I recall, our first investment in the new to us boat.
As you may be able to tell, I like inverters. I also like correctly and safely installed inverters. I have witnessed enough new hair styles to onboard fires from Buba installing a battery charger or inverter. For the DIY guy, please read all well and be careful. When in doubt, involve a REAL marine electrician.
Very well said Capt. Ralph I went down a rabbit hole last night looking at batteries and inverters. With that said, a bunch of research Dose Not make one an expert. Looking past the SALES pitch, each one is better than the rest, for batteries there's only a couple of Manufactures but many brandname stickers, as all markets have. The inverter market looks very OEM unless you are buying a Package. Has anyone put a large battery bank for an inverter and steal power for a bow thruster? I view a thruster as a luxury not necessity, very nice to have when It's tight. Not sure I want that weight forward....