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Cabo 45 express vs Cabo 44 HTX

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by basr22, Jan 9, 2025.

  1. basr22

    basr22 New Member

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    My wife and I are looking to upgrade to a sport fisher from a 36' center console. We fish quite a bit with just the two of us so we are looking for an express style boat instead of a convertible. We are based in Destin FL and want to be able to go to the oil rigs south of Louisiana and make it back on a tank of fuel with reserves. Viking is an option but I really like the looks and reviews of the Cabo. We are wondering if the newer 44 HTX is that much better than the older 45 express. Any performance differences, fuel economy, ease of use etc... Any recommendations will be welcomed as this will be our first sport fisher boat.
  2. Capt J

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    I've run a bunch of models of both, long distances. You have to compare the 2 with a grain of salt as the 44' HTX is a newer hull design but only came with 1 engine, the C18 CAT. The 45' Cabo came with an assortment of engines from 660hp 3196's to 1100 HP MAN common rails. There was a redo on the hull design, I can't remember what year, I think it is 2001 resulting in a dryer and better ride, and I think it was this time they went from 600 gallons of fuel to 800 gallons capacity. A C18 towered boat would cruise 30.5 knots and 1100 mans 33 knots (and more fuel efficient and quieter). They both are great hulls IF you know how to run them. The 45' Cabo likes the aft tank topped off, basically transfering fuel everytime the aft tank got to 3/4, that and a little trim tab. The 45' rode very good but had more of a big boat feel, didn't really lean in the turns and so forth. the 44' HTX with C18's was faster 32-33 knot cruise, the hardop on it is much nicer because you don't have that 8" strip of strataglass above the windshield frame in your view on 3 sides, and I really liked the sliding side windows on the earlier 44' HTX. I'd say it rides a little better, but not much. IF you can swing it the 45' Hatteras EX is even better, another knot of cruise or so, but 1 piece front windshield so you don't have a bunch of windshield pillars in your view....... also a touch quieter, all are loud at the helm at cruise.......but all great boats. I've run probably 7 different 45's, 4-5 different 44' Cabo's, and around 20 different HTX's over the years. Cockpit accomodations are good in all of them.
  3. zen

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    Capt J is an expert on these models so nothing to add there. But I will chime in on the my experience looking at them all before settling on a bigger Cabo express.

    First, Cabo 45 is nice but definitely has the look and feel of a boat from the early 2000 era. If you're OK with that check it out, there were a few 2007/2008 models for sale last year with low hours that looked really well maintained. I didn't seriously pursue one but they always catch my eye and have a loyal following.

    I loved the Cabo 44 and came close twice. I still look at them when I think about downsizing. However my biggest concern was engine access outboard, but I'm a big/tall guy so this might not apply. Honestly couldn't get back there and I tried twice.

    The Hatt 45 fixed the ER problems, but I didn't like the cabin changes from the Cabo 44. Somehow they kept the same accommodations but made the salon couch TINY, essentially a dining nook for 2 people. I really, really liked the Hatt 45 but seeing how we use our boat now it wouldn't have been ideal. I flop on the couch all the time plus it can serve as a bed in a pinch. For a couple on overnight trips fishing, it's doable. Two weeks in the islands not so much. I also met the guys who bought the 45 I made an offer on in the Bahamas and the salon is what they complained about.

    The range on both 44/45 might be an issue if you need more than 400 miles. I spoke with one owner whose exact quote was "it burns 80-85gph whether you're doing 25 or 35 knots". 800g tank with a genset running and a safety cushion it will be tight. I remember thinking about fuel bladder for long trips.

    Lastly, expresses are great if you want to captain, fish and dock shorthanded, but they're loud. CATs in an express are extra loud. I know of 2 people who had one of these models and sold them for this reason.
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    The 45' EX has a small salon/couch IF it's the 2 stateroom model, the second stateroom is really only usable if you're under 5'10 or mainly kids (on all 3 models), sadly the 2nd stateroom on the 52' Cabo is equally small. They did build some single stateroom boats that do have the large couch etc. the 2 stateroom 45' Cabo still has a large salon. Motor's don't burn 80/85 gph if you're doing 25 or 35 knots. They do get about the same NMPG though unless you get the C18s down to 1600 rpms which is 24/25 knots and they do a little better. No 45' Express is going to have a 400 NM range. 200NM is pretty standard unless you do some hull speed.
  5. basr22

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    Thanks Capt J and zen. This is exactly what I'm needing. My wife and I want a boat that I can handle and that we can fish on together with just the two of us. Yes, we do have friends that go with us but most of the time it will just be us. This is why we are looking at an express. I will store it in my boat slip behind my vacation home in Destin FL. I am on a canal with a boat slip behind it that will accommodate a boat possibly up to 50 feet. I would have to measure again the next time we are there. I know a 45' boat will fit and that's why I'm looking in that range. We go out to the FADS quite often and they are about 70-90 miles out. We have been out around 110 miles in the past and had plenty of fuel in our 36' center console with 475 gallons of fuel. Insurance will be better if I only step up around 10' or so. We would like to go to the oil Riggs west of Destin and they are around 150 miles from Destin. We also want to travel to the Bahamas and live on the boat at stops along the way. Are there any other boats that I should look at that would be a better fit for us? 400NM will be ok but would like a little more range to make me feel more comfortable although its not a deal breaker.
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    Couple of comments:
    - I saw 1 or 2 single stateroom Hatt 45's for sale and never a Cabo 44 but they did make one with a "tackle" area in lieu of guest stateroom. Agree with Capt J the second stateroom is tight on all of them. I've had 3 people use mine but all under 6ft tall. We use it for storage on long trips and it has been handy for that. I could sleep in there, uncomfortably.

    - Guy who made 80gph all the time comment had the 1150hp C18s, maybe slightly worse burn? He had the boat for a year and sold it but not for that reason.

    - I made the 400 statute mile range comment because bassr22 mentioned this on another forum as a requirement. Both will come close but under 400 statute miles.
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    I had very similar requirements and settled on an express. Trade off is losing the living space of a convertible, but easier to run and fish shorthanded. Not many other boats come to mind if you need to be at 45ft for the slip. With wiggle room you could look at a Cabo 48 convertible, Tiara 4800 convertible or if budget allows something like the Viking Billfish 46. I always liked the Tiara 4300 open but suspect you'd sacrifice some ride vs the Cabo 44/ Hatt 45. There are some great cruising express boats but not for fishing.

    We did 10 days in the Bahamas with room to spare on my 52, but it would seem spartan to someone in a 52+ convertible. Point being it's all relative, but I think it would be tougher in a 44/45. Still doable if you plan, organize and pack well. When I imagine staying for a week on one of those models, I assume I'd duck into a nice resort or rental if an option.
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    What boat do you have zen? you obviously have some good information in that class of boat...
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    You might want to look at Gulf Crosser yachts. They offer nice outboard-powered cruising/fishing boats in your size range. Many commenters here note express boats with diesels are almost always LOUD. With outboard-powered boats the noise is way far aft and there is zero vibration unlike having big diesels thundering underfoot. Outboards also enable huge storage spaces under the cockpit. Boston Whaler and Pursuit offer good quality fishing/express models in the 40 foot range.
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    I was actually just looking at the Pursuit 405 and 445 as well as the Boston Whaler 405. Might be a better fit for my wife and I. I could fit those boats on my lift behind my house. I might have to upgrade my lift but very doable. I like the looks and the finish of the Pursuit better. Any opinions on the ride of those compared to the sport fishers?
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    Cabo 52 but I waffled back and forth between Viking 52/44 expresses and the Cabo 44 / Hatt 45 for years with offers put in on all of them. The Cabo 52 kind of fell into my lap and has been solid. They all have trade offs.

    I still think about the 44/45 models because they are great boats for fishing/cruising the Bahamas - fast, capable, 4ft draft. Only things you gain with a 52 are more range, an extra head and storage. If I were smaller in stature and didn't have my eyes on longer trips to the outer islands, I would probably have one of the models you're considering.
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    Has anyone been on a Pursuit 4050? How is the ride in rough seas? Seems like a great boat...
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    Pursuit rides better than the whaler, neither ride anywhere near as good as the other boats mentioned. None of these boats are going to have anywhere close to a 400NM range at cruise. a 59' GT holds 1750 gallons and doesn't have a 400nm range. You'd have to step up to a 65-70' GT to have that kind of range at cruise, especially when you consider 10% isn't usable. A center console in the 40' range also isn't doing 400NM at cruise speeds. If you do some of it at 8-10 knots then you'll extend your range greatly and 400NM is do-able.
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    I have the CAT 1150hp C18’s in my boat. They use a bit over 80 GPH at 80% load for cruising. Right about 86 gpm. My boat is a little bigger though and is a 54’ Sportfisher.
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    I think for your use the 44/45 Cabo or Hatteras Express would be a good fit. I looked at what was on market in that 2005 to 2007 era and didn't see anything I felt was appealing and most that you will find are due for a refit IMO. I did that on a very clean 48 Cabo Fly and am very happy when I look at Sportfish market today.

    If you don't want a refit then I would spend a bit more and look at the 2015 45 Hatteras that are currently on the market. It seems in the Gulf doing a bladder on those offshore trips is common and with the Cap in the laz on top of the tank that would be a easy process to fill out of the cockpit and stow away once to the fishing grounds. Chugging over night at 8 knots would also vastly help your range. Looks like those 45's hold 800 gallons.

    I have 1020 in my 48 with 1100 MAN's
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    You didn't mention budget. Lower budget end is the Cabo expresses of that vintage, mid budget would be the Hatt 45, top budget, would look the 46 Viking Billfish with u/l helms. My dad had hull #1 Cabo 35, so have watched them through their whole line up. Great boats, but can pound a little. I had a 42' custom express for 7 years, and loved having an express, but visibility was an issue. I would have looked at a ocean/viking billfish if was possible at that time. Having a convertible for long distance cruising is superior in my opinion for comfort and visibililty. If you are stuck on an express, I would recommend having one with a marlin tower, not a tall tuna tower. Mine had a tall tuna tower, and was difficult to run from up there at cruise. A marlin tower makes it almost like an open flybridge.