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56M Perini S/Y Bayesian Sinks During Palermo Storm

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by kevin8tor, Aug 19, 2024.

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  1. Maritna_ra, Aug 22, 2024
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    From Perini website: Displacement full load, 543.4 t
  2. BlueNomad, Aug 22, 2024
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    Ecco ;)
  3. rtrafford, Aug 22, 2024
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    my thinking is water pressure from the cap stuffing. That area is fairly close to the rails.
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  4. Adopo, Aug 22, 2024
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    Another interesting video about the man and vessel.

  5. Maritna_ra, Aug 22, 2024
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    I only found this: https://www.centrometeosicilia.it/previsioni-per-lunedi-19-agosto-2024/

    and this: https://www.centrometeosicilia.it/n...porali-in-rotta-verso-la-sicilia-occidentale/

    so everyone was aware that a storm was on the way, with rain showers, hail, and gusts of wind.

    Here at the sec 58 the CEO of ISG showing the meteo forecast:
    https://news.sky.com/story/superyac...were-not-in-state-of-alert-for-storm-13201151
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  6. Adopo, Aug 22, 2024
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    So this is the nearby boat, named after the founder of the Boy Scouts?

    Karsten Borner, the Dutch captain of the Sir Robert Baden Powell, a yacht that was anchored near the Bayesian, said by phone Wednesday that he saw a thunderstorm come in at around 4 a.m. local time (10 p.m. ET) Monday, followed by what looked like a waterspout, a type of tornado that forms over water.

    https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-24874/sir-robert-baden-powell.htm

    https://www.***************.com/yachts/sir-robert-baden-powell

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  7. German Yachting, Aug 23, 2024
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    I don’t really think the Italian Sea Group’s CEOs comments are well placed/timed. I think most assumptions are right in that the crew was quickly all hands on deck in the middle of the night so they didn’t close all the hatches - just ran up to deal with the situation half awake. Then, get hit by a water spout or microburst and then it quickly sinks. It’s not like it’s that big of a boat where it would take a while to get in deck, the escape hatches/ stairway is right there and it’s one deck versus say a crew quarters on a 60m MY. Sounds like most got over the initial shock of it all but the slower movers took too long to react.
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  8. ychtcptn, Aug 23, 2024
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    Disappointed in the SEA group CEO blaming the Captain before all factors are known.

    Maybe a case of CYA!!

    Under normal circumstances there is no need to get guests up on deck for a thunderstorm, I am sure the boat has been through many.

    As a professional Capt. who has been through many, I can not think of a time that I thought, maybe I should get all guests on deck in life jackets.
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  9. Maritna_ra, Aug 23, 2024
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    Something is starting to leak from the investigation.

    3.50AM The storm hits the area, the Bayesian begins to sway dangerously. The boat starts moving back and forth, then sideways, then forward and back again.

    3:59AM: the anchor has now given way, is no longer holding the boat that is drifting.

    4:00AM: the yacht is already taking water. The boat is not manoeuvrable and there is water in either the generator or engine room.

    4:05AM: The Bayesian sinks. After drifting for 358 meters, the boat's bow starts to sink.

    4:06AM, the 'EPIRB' automatically launches the sinking alarm at the 'Cospas Sarsab' satellite station in Bari, operated by the Coast Guard.
  10. Capt Ralph, Aug 23, 2024
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    May I wonder out loud her a second or two;
    Starting to read like something had already happened before the supposed micro burst(?) hit Bayesian.

    Guest & crew called on deck in PFDs.
    Down by the bow,, quickly.

    Some breach or failure in the bow?
    With hundreds of feet of chain rode out, high winds causing rapid tension on the rode,,
    Anchor haws pipe failure? Did the bow plating fail?
    Did the bow fall off?

    IMO, this could explain a lot.
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  11. Scallywag, Aug 23, 2024
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    "The front fell off" comes to mind.


    With that said, I have nothing useful to contribute.
  12. Pascal, Aug 23, 2024
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    This is not a silvcarvliner… the bow or hawspipe isn’t going to fail before the chain, shackle or swivel. Anchors will drag before structural damage occurs anyway.

    And divers/ROV report the wreck is pretty much intact.

    one thing is sure, the captain isn’t heading home to NZ anytime soon. Remember in Italy you are not innocent until proven guilty… and Perini is the pride of Italian yacht building.
  13. Seasmaster, Aug 23, 2024
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    There isn't ANY VESSEL afloat that does not follow physics. They all have a stability curve. It doesn't matter if it's a barge, a sailing vessel, a power vessel! The picture I posted was to depict GM, GZ of a hypothetical vessel, not the demised one. Here's more to help others understand. . . compliments of Denmark.

    https://www.dma.dk/Media/6377439587... Fishermen's Occupational Health Services.pdf
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    Perhaps flying objects whipping around in 100 kt winds?
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    Since my experience is on deep-sea vessels, is it common to anchor in 160 feet of water? How many shots of chain [15 fathom per shot] do the vessel's carry?
  16. Capt Ralph, Aug 23, 2024
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    I'm playing that video now, with tongue in cheek,,, maybe not far off..:rolleyes:
    Yes, plenty of engineering to keep anything from happening,, but something did..:eek:

    I am still guessing out loud but I do feel she was already flooding to get the people on deck, in their PFDs,,, Before the micro burst or rouge wave or something falling somewhere.
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    Giovanni Costantino, who leads the Italian Sea Group, suggested the doors of the vessel may have been left open … Costantino said he suspected a large door, low down on the hull, which was close to the engine room and used to enter the yacht from its tender, was left open.

    {He said} that the vessel was “like a pendulum” and designed to return upright even when tilted at an angle of 87.6 degrees – almost horizontal. Commenting on speculation the crew raised the yacht’s keel, rendering it less stable, he said: “I don’t see that as a factor since even when it’s up, the yacht can lean over at 73 degrees and still right itself.”
  18. Yachtguymke, Aug 23, 2024
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    I think there is way more to this than any of us know at the moment and the fact that the CEO of PN is coming out guns blazing could be telling. Obviously he knows how the yacht was built and may be starting a deflection campaign so save his brand (Not that its in trouble at the moment.) Any sane and normal person would wait for facts to come out before crucifying the crew of this yacht. Very poor taste on his part...
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  19. Norseman, Aug 23, 2024
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    He is right of course, but in this case she laid over 74 degrees.:confused:

    I do feel sorry for the Captain and the crew, they have to live with this the rest of their lives and their careers in the Yachting business may just be over.
    Curious if the Captain had a personal umbrella type liability insurance..
  20. Maritna_ra, Aug 23, 2024
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    So...it is right to crucify the company that made the yacht based on ridiculous speculations about the mast of a boat that has been sailing around the world since 2008.
    A 16-year-old SY suddenly becomes a structurally unsound vessel, because this is what the media has been saying from the start.

    I expect nothing different from the CEO of a company listed on the stock exchange. Ask to the CEO of Boeing etc...
    It is their job to stand up for the company, its shareholders, and its employees.

    There is something else nobody is saying...except for a captain of a 60-meter motor yacht and a chiefstew of a motor yacht docked in the port of Porticello, both interviewed by Sky News...
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