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Azimut 68 Fly 2024 quality feedback?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Darko89, Jul 25, 2024.

  1. Darko89

    Darko89 New Member

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    Hi! This is my first post here although I have been lurking the forum on and off for a number of years. I want to start by thanking its members for all the valuable advice they have been sharing over all this time.
    I am a middle aged, 50ft boat owner based in the Med. I don't use it much as it comes a bit small for me and my family and thus I mostly charter bigger boats and use it primarily for beach-hopping.
    I have been on a semi-active search for about 2 years now for a flybridge in the 64 to 75 feet range. So you understand the stuff I like, I am obsessed with the Absolute Navetta line and actively considering right now a 2021 68 model. I also like Sanlorenzo although having chartered several ones I find some of their solutions questionable, especially for the price. I would hire 1 captain as crew and probably do some light charter to offset part of costs.
    My plan is/was to buy a 3-5 ish year old boat (Sunseeker, Absolute, -Maybe Princess although I slightly dislike their interiors) around the 2M Euro (2.2M usd) mark. I am in no hurry so waiting for the right offer.
    I don't mind IPS vs shafts so this is not a buying criteria for me.
    I have always liked Azimut's interiors after they started upping the line circa 2019 but avoided them based on all the horror stories I hear from other owners/Captains. however I recently got offered a brand new (delivery Q324), fully loaded Azimut 68 Fly at a fantastic -and I mean fantastic- price from a distressed seller.
    On one hand the opportunity is very hard to ignore pricewise and I really love the boat' s design language and interiors. One the other hand I swore I would never 1. Buy a new boat (I dont want to spend 3 years fixing it) and 2. Buy an Azimut. If I go ahead with this purchase, I would be essentially bailing out of these two promises I made to myself. If someone can provide feedback on if Azimut's quality has improved over recent years, or specific feedback about this model, I would be forever grateful. Do I go for it or do I keep steering clear of Azimuts? Thanks!
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  2. Capt J

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    Sunseeker 66 or 68' would be the best of the ones you mentioned by a long shot for seakeeping, ride, and quality. Azimuts have a serious lack of quality.
  3. Darko89

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    Hi thanks for the feedback! I am indeed a Sunkeeper fanatic myself, unfortunately used ones are unfortunately quite overpriced in the current market so I have yet to encounter a good offer on one. I dont like the utilization of space in the Sunseeker 68 so I am looking at the 75 range which is atm severely overpriced. I heard some anecdotical feedback from two captains with new Azimuts (Magellano 53 and Grande 25) that they are happy with their boats and in their opinion the quality of the brand has generally greatly improved with the new models. Is there any truth to that or I just happen to know the only two people in the world that are happy with an Azimut?
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  4. jsschieff

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    I've read many horror stories about Azimuts in Yacht Forums, and accept that for years they were plagued with abysmal wiring, plumbing and other construction issues. But I see them in the water frequently, and wonder how successful businessmen will spend huge amounts of money without doing a speck of due diligence on Azimuts. You'd think the brand would disappear if all Azimut owners became disgusted with their boats. I wonder if Azimut has improved quality in recent years?
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    They're cheap in relation to other brands, and Azimut sells the sizzle but is short on the steak!
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    There are a few folks here on YF with Muts. A couple I believe overcame the factory issues at great effort and have nice boats now.
    Others tried to defend their money but we don't hear from them anymore.
    That and my experience in trying to service little things on them have left a poor attitude towards them from my self.
    BayLiner of the Med has been a great phrase of mine.
    Not to reflect this much bad on BayLiner.

    Strange the parent company builds great other boats.
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    mapism Senior Member

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    Correct.
    The truth of the matter is that their boats are aimed at pleasing those who buy them, as opposed to those who helm them and/or work on them. BIG difference.
    You wouldn't become (and remain) the largest player, in any industry, by disgusting your clients.
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    Capt Ralph Senior Member

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    I was hoping you would ad comment here. :)
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    It's kind of like asking a mechanic which brand of heavy equipment to buy, or which model of a particular brand.

    What I've found is that the mechanic does not care about performance. His primary concern is the level of contortion needed to perform common repairs, followed by ease of trouble shooting, followed by ease of obtaining parts. The quality of the operators compartment and the actual performance of the machine does not enter the mechanic's calculations.

    I'm not saying the mechanic's concerns are not valid; I'm saying you should consider the source of the comments.

    If you write checks for all of your repairs, the ease of reaching a certain pump is not significant to you.
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    Good comments and thank you.

    But I don't want to be the tech that tells the owner of his fine boat " the part you need in not available in the states this week,,,, or longer,,,, or at all..
    Next line; I don't want to work on your boat, I loose to much blood (<--- Me).

    Next, Why is it the other products from the same parent company ,does not have these scared up techs?
    Could be a little slack in their attitude for this line?
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    The truth is that even with easy access to some stuff, the bills does not change much and I know this through personal experience.
    It helps though if you can or want to do some stuff on your own.

    I will add that old Azimut's had better access to most mechanical stuff, then most other Euro counter-parts.
    Also Azimut does in my experience make itself present when it comes to warranty issues better to others.

    I boarded like a new 50 some years ago and access and labelling was very good, as was a 60 from 2019, and an S6, and same for an Atlantis 51.
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    If my memory is correct, after reading years of Azimut threads, the factory/dealer support in Europe is superior to the support in the U.S. in every way so you would have that going for you.
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    If it takes 8 hours instead of 2 to replace a pump (or troubleshoot an electrical issue) because of lousy access, not only will your maintenance bill be much higher but it a going to get longer to get the work down possibly resulting in cancelled trips.

    sadly, boat owners are now used to the fact that boats in general suffer from design and reliability issues so delays and high costs have become normal.
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    You are right, but I have seen Carvers and Oceans with similar accessability problems,so not just Azimuts.
    When you preach accessability I listen and agree.

    The point is the Azimut support in the U.S. seems dismal based on the posts I've read.
    Where is Mapism ?
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    Post #7
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    Hey everyone, thanks so much for all the replies! My internet was not very stable so I was unable to log in for some days, it was so heartwarming to log and see all this activity. As a Sunseeker fanatic, I have been eyeing Sunseekers but for the same price I would barely able to get a 2020 Manhattan 68 which has 3 instead of 4 cabins. I would not be considering the Azimut if it was not for the fact that the price I am being offered is 25% under market for that boat. It is truly one of these "one in a couple years" offer. The service is not an issue as I am located in Europe and I have good relationship with AzimutĀ“s warranty guys. From my talks with other owners and captains serviced by them, parts arrive instantly and the servicing is very fast so completely different experience vs Marine Max. As brutal as it may sound, and I do not mean any disrespect, Mapism is right in the regard that, as an owner, I am not overly concerned about the comfort of my mechanics or my captain. I am seeking feedback from an owners perspective (ride, space, options, materials quality, etc) and the boat seems to deliver in that regard (or does it?). I was crunching some numbers and it seems that I could (provided the prices remain stable), buy the boat now and flip it in 2-3 years at 0 or very little depreciation (since the price I can get it is already 25% under retail for that boat which is roughly a 2 year depreciation). I understand some things will need to be serviced, but it would be covered under warranty. Since depreciation would not start to really kick into the purchasing cost until after 2-3 years, owning it would be actually cheaper (provided I sell it in 2 years) than purchasing a 4 year old Manhattan 68 at a similar price. I am not trying to contest the obvious fact that a Sunseeker or a Princess is a better boat, but here I am getting a 68ft, 4 cabin, fully loaded , brand new 2024 year boat for the same price of a 2020, 3 cabin Manhattan 68. It is really a tough call. Any thoughts?
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  17. Liam

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    Not as much as you think.
    The Manhattan 68 is a better boat only because it comes out with shafts and Man engines same does the Princess F65, which probably is similar priced to an Azimut 68 but may be smaller.
    As volume goes a Manhattan 68 is more like similar to an the new Azimut Fly 72.
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    I find the finishings and the gel coat on the Manhattan 68 to be more "solid". For example when you open the cabinets the interior is still proper wood, and everything in general just seems more durable in the Sunseeker. Overall the boat feels a bit more solid. Both are cat A hulls. Azimut interior is nicer but simultaneously a bit "cheaper". With that said I did not find the Sunseeker to be 25% "better" if that makes sense. I found the Azimut to be a very spacious boat for a 68, more than the Manhattan 68 for sure with much better use of layout. I cannot comment on the ride as I have not been at sea with either (I ve been in other models of both brands) and I found the overall ride quality in mild swell to be similar. Hence why the tough call, it seems to me like a lot of boat for the price, but it is a new Azimut, with an unknown punch list waiting for me. I guess I ll keep ruminating until someone else buys it so I don't need to take the decision anymore :D
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    The Manhattan 68' is one hell of a sea boat. I have taken a 66' (same hull and pretty much same exact boat structurally) Ft. Laud to Guatamala and back, about 10 Ft. Laud through the exumas trips and have had that boat in all kinds of nasty seas and it handled it extremely well.

    Azimut has NO control on the quality of their boats, they're all built with sub-contracted electrical, joinery work, plumbing, etc. that isn't supervised or not supervised well. So 1 out of say 12 electrical companies could have done your boat, and another one the next boat, yet NOBODY follows the plans. Plus choice of materials etc...... It's like the 68' Azimuts, those had a huge issue of fuel tanks cracking from hull flexing too much, yet were fixed and nobody hears about them.........etc.....etc..... It has nothing to do with accessing stuff to fix (which is hard on them), it has to do with needing to wait 4-8 weeks for a part.......do you want to do a trip with no freshwater (for example).
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    Do you believe this applies to new Azimuts as well?