Hi everyone. I just got back from a cruise..210 people..and that was about 204 too many for me..so the next vacation will be chartering a yacht for 6 to 8 people..want it to be fully crewed. i was on some websites looking at boats. but I really have no idea what I am looking at. thinking of the Mediterranean or Adriatic. I did notice..you get a lot more boat if going with sail boat. Do you cover the same miles? Is there a route/area that you don't need to cover 1,000 miles? Everyone's contribution is appreciated
It all depends on your budget. Mass market charter companies like Moorings have small power cats (46-60’) which can be chartered with crew or without if you have enough experience. if you want a crewed yacht charter for 6 (captain, stew, chef etc) prices will significantly higher, figure $30-40k minimum for a 60/70 footer incl expenses, gratuity etc For 8 you will need something at least 80’… $60k a week or more. most charters operate in area with any anchorages and marina so you won’t have to cover 1000 miles… for instance we ran charters in the Exumas for years on MY between 70 and 110’ and during a week there we d cover no more than 100/120 miles.
You should also be aware of the charter terms for any vessel you book. Oil, Fuel consumables etc are all able to be charged under some contracts
Actually it does nothave to be that expensive in the Med. There are good offers starting from 25k in the 70ft range. Of course selecting the right cruising ground for your ideas of what your holiday is supposed to offer is essential.
So we just got back from a shared " low budget" chartered boat with my sons...4 of the 8 on the boat...while the boat was a historical sail boat... that wasn't the problem. We cruised a 11 kts around the Greek islands...usually 3 hours after breakfast..so we didn't arrive to the next island until 12....then left at 4 to go to Port. Being scuba divers we were disappointed in the lack of underwater visuals. But back to the cruising part, our disappointments. 1)not sure why we could not travel at night...or while having breakfast. Normal? 2) We were told we had to be at marina by 5 to get good spot? Locations aren't reserved? 3) IT appeared to me we were in the off the beaten path ports..cheaper is my guess. My sons would have liked a bit more night life then what's available at a population of 300 off season. 4) I for one would have liked to spend a night or two on the hook. 5) Due to winds..there were days we stopped at locations " for the afternoon before port " where we could not go to the shore " private Island"....and some locations had beach bars..some did not. 5) We were never given a choice where to stop/hang out on the hook. 6) And the worst of it...because they were relocating the boat out of the impending winds...part of out trip was designed to get the boat to where it was going. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated as we are trying to determine if this charter thing is for us.
As I said I spent almost 15 years running charters in the Bahamas on boats between 70 and 110 with my wife and 1 to 2 crews. We re private now, no more charters, but when the owners or their friends are on board we treat it as a charter service wise On a typical yacht charter, itinerary incl stops, time underway etc are discussed ahead of time usually a couple of weeks before the charter. Or sooner to make it possible to book dockage at popular places. Speaking of which, dockage is usually reserved but not always. In that case arriving earlier will indeed get you better spots. Some marinas or harbors only have staff until a certain time so arriving after hours means doing it without dock assistance. Doable, not ideal. Some guests prefer to anchor out, others prefer docking. We follow what they want and adapt accordingly. we ve had guests suggesting marathon style itineraries with long runs everyday. Usually after explaining to them that it will not be a fun vacation they come to their senses and agree to slow it down. In the Bahamas for instance we ve had request to start in Nassau, go to harbor island Eleuthera then all the way down the Exumas before returning to Nassau. All in 7 days… or about 50nm a day! Every group is different. Some don’t care for beach bars and restaurants, other do. Some don’t care to go ashoe, others do. All this need to be discussed ahead of time and the itinerary adjusted accordingly Yes, moving from one spot to the next takes time out of the fun stuff. Depending on the size of the boat and the location/weather/seas state it may not be feasible to serve meals underway. This leaves getting under way after breakfast, or arriving before lunch or dinner as the only solution. Especially on a sailboat… navigation at night is doable in most areas but can be difficult on smaller boats (under 100’) with limited crew. For instance last night we ran about 30nm after dinner was served. By the time we got to our anchorage, anchored, did all the post run stuff, it was close to midnight. It left about 6 hours of sleep which is ok once or twice a week but not sustainable every day of a week long charter. Then I had to get up at 4am because of an approaching thunderstorm off the beaten path is not a cost issue since in nearly all charters, the charterer pays for the expenses incl dockage. I always give guests the choice, laying out options including costs. Some don’t care about that, others do not see the value in spending $700-$1000 an night in dockage finally as to wind and weather avoidance, it all depends. Haven’t done Greece yet but from my planning research, winds can pick up in the afternoon. Nothing is worst than having to finish a run in nasty conditions with sick guests and then having to spent a couple of hours getting the boat rinsed, cleaned and ready for cocktails and dinner. bottom line, it s all about communication and planning between the charterer and the captain. It seems in your case that the captain could have done a better job going over your preferences and options. Either he was new to the charter world or the lack of attention/customization was part of the “budget” factor.
So better or not than your 210 person sailing cruise? How did the price compare? Sounds like you could have more input into the itinerary if you where not sharing a boat with others? Weather is always going to be a big part of the actual cruise, regardless of getting the boat to where it was going. Not being on the hook sounds like it really eats into the time on the water, I wonder if the charter specifies when and where and why or why not they go to port or stay on the hook.
Sounds like one of those standard cruises they offer down there. Those do their standard tour with guests on a fixed intineary with the next clients allready waiting at the dock on arrival. Not much flexibility in that.
This should have read "winds can pick up in June" and don't stop until October. Greece is the windiest place I've ever cruised, in general. When the wind is light, it's one of the most stunning places on earth. When the wind is blowing, it's exhausting! I've been here cruising since June 1, and am really looking forward to a couple of nights on a dock and then heading west!
So for me, way better then the 210 person cruise...I am not a fan crowds or getting on a bus with 35 people to go see a Shine, Temple, church, Palace...blah..much rather have coffee with locals and observe their world...see how they live...small cities of 50,000 to 300,000. Probably could have had some more input..but the desire to move the boat to the next sailing area from Cyclades to the Skoples kind of dominated the last part of the trip. Yeah, weather is always a factor..but to be honest we were ignorant of the potential winds starting early....I say never charter a boat that has to be somewhere else the next week. The price of four for this boat was 11,000 for four for a week..dirt cheap.....the 210cruise boat included 2 bus trips a day..was 34,000 for a week for two people. BernD...that is exactly what it was..but it was cheap....I guess I am someone who likes to be around locals to observe and get the local vibe
My family and I have chartered a handful of times and each experience is new and different, but there are some common themes (not in any particular order): Everything is negotiable, so in regards to your points #5 & #6, that's something that is part of the itinerary and should be discussed and agreed to ahead of time. If they aren't willing to, go elsewhere. The exception here might be the weather, which absolutely can put the brakes on specific plans. That's not something you can control. As an example, we once chartered a boat in the southern Exumas and had plans to do some island hopping but the weather just didn't cooperate during that time of year and we ended up basically in the same location the entire week. Not what we wanted, but we had a fantastic crew who more than made up for it and had a great time anyway. Everyone has their own idea about what constitutes a fun charter cruise. Some want to be in marinas every night, some what to be on the hook every night, some want a little of both. Some want 5* black tie dining, some want family style buffets, some want snorkeling, some want shopping...It really should be up to you and the Captain to determine your itinerary and what you are looking for. If your Captain/charter company is being rigid and not wanting to discuss those details, go elsewhere. It can be a lot of fun, but there's a part of being on a charter/yacht cruise that's just "going with the flow" to a degree. First, you really have to like being on the water, but also know the weather can impact everything, or you might have thought one spot would be great for a couple nights and it ends up sucking so you have to pivot to another plan. It's all part of the experience. I would definitely get with a charter broker you feel like you can trust and have them be your advocate and help you through the process of putting a trip together. They have lots of knowledge and experience and know many of the boats, captains, crews and locations.
I get the charter thing, it's just you and your family, perhaps some friends. That said when we did Autobahn Adventures through Europe, this one to be exact https://autobahnadventures.com/driving-tours/monaco-grand-prix-tour-2022-1/, we discovered cruising for the first time aboard Azamara. We ended up for the Monaco Grand Prix, where I saw a boat in the harbor and thought that it must be a private yacht. It was in fact a Ponant boat, Le Jacques-Cartier that we saw in the harbor. During Autobahn adventures we met some wonderful people, there were twenty cars in our group, who in fact where chartering two yachts when they got home. One was owned and just sold by a good friend of all things, Sea Axis, a Heesen, and the other one was around the same size. If one will not do, charter two! Anyway, since that time we have done Silversea, Viking, and two Ponant Cruises. I really like the small feel of Ponant. We did Malta to Nice, and just did all of New Zealand and Australia. Viking was on the Explorer class Octantis to see the Great Lakes, Milwalkee to Toronto, which was really cool to see how great the Great Lakes really are. We are scheduled to do Autobahn adventures again, seeing Monza, the Temple of Speed, and Italian Grand Prix in September, and then Venice to Athens on the new Silver Ray. https://autobahnadventures.com/driving-tours/4-country-adventure/ Anyway, I do like to charter, but I find that 120 to 160 on Ponant to be just fine. There is plenty of room on the boat and you never feel crowned. There are all levels of success here, and you live once, and at the end it will suck, I think we all know that. So by all means find that Charter and go. I should have been doing these things long ago. Here are just a few pictures from our first Autobahn adventures. While everyone was doing their thing, my wife and I dove over 1,500 miles on the great passes and road. We also toped 175 on the autobahn, something I don't plan to do again. There are a few spots left for the trip we are on if anyone is interested. I just watched the movie Grand Prix from 1966, as it ends in Monza and I am a sucker for nostalgia. You can watch this on youtube of all things, for free with a premium account. I was surprised by just how well done this was, and we are looking forward to experiencing Monza, the oldest and fastest European GP. Watch it on your smart TV if interested.
Here is where we discovered Ponant, sitting in the Harbor with Azamara in the background. Who where was in the harbor on their yacht..someone I am sure!
One more thing I liked about Ponant, was access to the bridge. I was surprised they kept a hand written daily log, and used all of the paper charts, and other nautical hand skills for plotting etc in this day of redundant electronics. Was very interesting to see how all of this works. I'm not sure this is allowed, but the captain one night even allowed my wife to blow the horn lol.