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Yachting for Newbies - Many Questions Answered.

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by JiminSouthlake, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. JiminSouthlake

    JiminSouthlake New Member

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    Hi Audacious
    I do like to watch some of the posts here. Always interesting to see the stories. Good choice on the Navigator. That was our second choice when we were deciding on what to buy. We didn't feel we needed the pilothouse since we never planned to be anywhere cold again.
    I doubt that I will go back into boating again. Will probably do a stint in Europe or some other far flung location when I need a change of scenery.
    Good luck!
  2. Raideriam

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    Hi Jim,
    I would parrot third waver's concern. Given that; yes boating is expensive, and research/training are ongoing, survey's are important, etc. What I don't see is how do most people whip out multiples of 10-15K repairs without warning. How did you finance this unforeseen issues? What's preferable, a "home loan" revolving line of credit, 100k in an low interest bearing account? How did you plan for the unforeseen, but inevitable repair wallet-dectomy. Thanks for your post.
  3. olderboater

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    The terms, "10-15k repairs without warning" shouldn't happen as I'm warning you now, they will come, they are not unforeseen, you must go in with expectations they will occur. Then, if they don't, you were lucky. If you have to take out a loan for them, then you bought too much boat. You must have the available funds to maintain a boat. 10-15k isn't even on the high side of major repairs. The 100k is a low interest bearing account is a good idea. We plan cash availability by always having something coming due. It might be CD's or treasury bills or anything, but something comes due and if not needed we renew or buy something else.

    We also keep some immediately available funds and maintain credit cards even though we pay them off every month. They buy you time plus we only pay by credit card to have recourse if needed, especially on any deposits or partial payments.
  4. JiminSouthlake

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    Another thing to consider is that we purchased a boat that needed work from the start (some of which we knew going in). Believe me, $10,000 does not go very far in a boatyard once you start looking at some of these systems onboard. As an example, in New York, 2 guys onboard for plumbing work at over $100/hr each really adds up fast. We were fortunate in that we didn't have much mechanical failure (engine, transmission).

    Keep in mind that we were on the boat full time and traveled over 6000 miles over the two year period (and I might be a little obsessive about repairs and maintenance).

    As for financing, we financed the boat using a "boat mortgage" and the interest is deductible as this was our "second home". We had sold our "stuff" when we started the adventure, so we had some cash available for these expenses. Credit card with a large limit is your friend.
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    I just found this thread and have enjoyed reading everyone's posts. What I missed somewhere is finding a link or info on how to get to Jimmie's blog.

    Can someone help out this old guy with a link?
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    The link is in post #10 of this thread. It's zerotofiftyfive.com.
  7. JiminSouthlake

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    Read the blog quick. The site will be shut down soon. The website hosting company wants $500 to keep it open.
    Good luck!!!
  8. Raideriam

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    Jim,
    Thank you for your response, it provided the necessary insight. I was looking for a land based analogy, so if you bought a house with know repairs you'd obviously bring the cash. It's the unknown unknowns that I keep reading about that keep me awake during my nap. Thanks again!
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    Jim, BTW, finished your blog. Wonderful stuff, very entertaining. I enjoyed it throughly.
  10. Worthyvess

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    Hi Jim, thank you so much for posting all of this, wish I could read your wife’s blog! We are looking at a Neptunus and would love the info on what problems we might expect. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
  11. JiminSouthlake

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    Unfortunately, the blog is no longer active. I did pull all the content with a plan to turn it into a short e-book. Just no time yet.
    I sent you a PM with a few more Neptunus specific issues.
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    Thanks so much Jim! For someone who is no longer a boater, you are incredibly generous with your time to us!
  13. Worthy vessel

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    Has anyone ever heard of "whispering walls"? I believe it is a term to describe the loosening of the headliner that might be a problem on older Neptunus models.
    Thanks
    Doug
  14. JiminSouthlake

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    I had that happen in two locations near the front windshield. The spot was several inches in diameter. I was able to make a small slice in the fabric with a razor and spray fabric adhesive in to repair it. It was not in an obvious location and turned out pretty well for an amateur.
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    Whisper walls are a type of wall covering that builders still use today. They have nothing to do with the wall covering coming loose

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    Well done!! But from the insurance perspective, did you have to anything special? Most insurance companies want you to start at below 26 ft and every two years, they will reconsider you for a bigger boat in 10' increments.
  17. JiminSouthlake

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    Hi. Sorry for the late response. I just noticed the email notification on this post.

    Insurance was the biggest challenge since we had not owned a boat prior to buying the Neptunus. During our preliminary research speaking with insurance companies at the Miami Boat Show, they stated "no problem, we can get you insured". Not exactly true as we came to find out.

    When we were notified that we would need a Captain onboard for the first year, we changed our tactics. We compiled a "resume" and training log of all the training courses that we had taken along with our personal and corporate profiles. For me personally, I was able to state that I have a significant amount of technical knowledge (mechanical, plumbing, electrical etc) that would allow us to manage and maintain the boat. From there I started making phone calls to insurance companies. Here is where the biggest piece of LUCK hit. I called a well known marine insurance company and it just so happened that the usual underwriter was on vacation and the head of marine underwriting was taking his calls. I explained our situation and described our capabilities and he just happened to know the local agent and the local agent knew the Captain that was training us..... They stated that if our Captain would sign off on our proficiency, we would be approved to go solo. They felt that our backgrounds and training were sufficient for solo travel. We completed several weeks of on-water training with our Captain and off we went.

    Without this LUCK we probably would have had to use a Captain each time we moved the boat.

    Best of luck to you!
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    Thank-you so much for the insights. The insurance companies want me to start off with a smaller boat (<28') and build up in 10' increments. Although I understand the logic from a risk point of view, it seems like the depreciation on each boat "step" to the ultimate one we want (45') is money down the drain. --So trading off costs, it seems like the more advantageous approach is to just bite the bullet and hire a part time training captain and build up the hours in our own boat (90 hours ~ $9,000). --But I will definitely keep an eye out for the opportunity you happened into. Your good luck (or providence) for sure!!
  19. LuvBigBoats

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    You're in CA and so am I. Seems strange. I started with a 43 sportfish in 2015 and then moved to a 62 motor yacht in 2021. Both times I needed captain training/sign-off (and captain completion of a skills questionnaire for the second boat). There was no 90-hour or other minimum hour requirement, just proof that I acquired the skills necessary to safely operate the boat. They wanted to see the training hours log, but again no stated minimum.
    All that said, if it's your first boat you should want to spend some quality time with a good captain to teach you the skills you need.
    Suggest you also work with a reputable yacht insurance broker if you're not already.
  20. Zud

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    Stepped from our 20 foot Crownline to our current 56 Neptunus…acquired the “six Pack” license, trained with a captain until he was satisfied I could handle the boat (25-30 hrs)and here we are. No insurance issues
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