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Container Ship Hits Baltimore Bridge

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Yacht News, Mar 26, 2024.

  1. JWY

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  2. Capt Ralph

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    Some interesting comments on bridge issues.


    I fear some is BS but other aspects are fair to good.

    Galleries thoughts?
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  3. rtrafford

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    So, some reports were released by the feds this week indicating there were multiple power failures, breaker trips, all leading up to the ship striking the bridge. They lost steering for a several seconds or minutes...but the steering was reported at zero, and systems failed with the power loss that made rudder movement unavailable...ultimately they lost high voltage and propulsion, so when the low voltage was restored they had no propulsion to maintain steerage.

    Did the sudden shift to starboard and impact result from the anchor deployment?
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    Don’t know if the anchor deployment caused the course change and impact, but a news report today said the NTSB discovered the ship had 2 blackouts just before departure and the report also said the harbor pilot released the tugs before the fatal blackouts and it almost looks like fingers are pointing at the pilot for doing just that. (I can only speculate that the Captain never informed the 2 pilots of any blackouts before departure..)

    Looks like the original crew is still onboard, they must be bored out their brains and also worried about their jobs..:(
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    Pilot reported that upon boarding he asked for confirmation of vessel condition, and the response was that she was in good order. Something of that sort. NTSB went into detail regarding the failure of the low voltage network breakers (with no loss of power) followed by that being reset and then a loss of high voltage breakers and a loss of propulsion. But if the steering was at zero and they lost steerage....within a few boat lengths that was a pretty rapid turn...just speculating, but they reported that the anchors were deployed. The hand at the bow ran for cover and didn't finish setting the brakes...
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    Wow..
    If that is indeed what happened then the anchor did nothing expect som minor friction from the chain being lifted out and resistance in the winch. (The big boats I worked on had steam winches rather than electric or hydraulic, no idea what the latest and greatest is)
    There was probably more than a deck hand on the bow to handle the anchors, at least a bosun with a hand or two, but a third mate could (should) also be there with plenty of muscle around him to carry out orders from the bridge, ESPECIALLY after the ship had a history of blackouts at the dock.:confused:
    I know, easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback Critic..
  7. rtrafford

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    Might have gotten one locked down. From what I saw simply said that he didn't get finished locking them both down, saw the impact looming, ran for cover. Said they still had not yet determined how much chain had been let. Not much detail on this yet. But from what I saw in the report, the anchor is about the only thing I could see that would have created a turn like that. Much of the time they were without steering, steering was at zero, and later a turn to port was ordered but rendered ineffective as they had no propulsion at that time. So what else would cause the crazy ivan to starboard?
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    Please review my post #28.
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    • She was doing 9 knots, her reported speed at idle
    • She lost steerage until the very end and a port turn was ordered
    • She lost propulsion back about a ship's length or so from the bridge
    • When she lost propulsion the pilot radio'd for help, tugs 3 miles away.
    • Pilot radio'd alert to marine traffic and the bridge was notified to stop traffic. They stopped on lane a minute to 90 seconds ahead of impact. Didn't stop the other lane until a bit later, and last car just barely cleared.
    • When radio alert went out, pilot ordered the anchors dropped. This would have likely then happened in the final ship's length from impact.
    • Crewman reported could not complete the brake set. Saw impact imminent and ran for cover.
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    To your point.

    I read that there have been more than one incident with the Dali in other ports as well as in the port of Baltimore.
    I wonder who answers to whom on repairs.
    If the ship had issues at port and then was cut loose, who makes that decision ?
    Does some one get proof of the repair or some documentation ?
    I think some amount of responsibility should be at the feet of whoever cleared the ship to depart.
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    I’m no legal expert, but a series of related events could trip the insurance coverage and shift liability upstairs, perhaps even beyond the shell due to deaths.

    Takeaway here to all of us is to think about our own liability as we own or operate vessels. Serious responsibility.
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    Ultimately the Captain cleared the ship to depart as he most likely knew about the blackouts.
    If the Port Authority, the Harbour Pilot Dispatcher or the local US Coast Guard knew about the blackout problems while sitting at the dock, they should have stopped this ship from departing, at least I hope so..
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    Yeah, but on a much smaller scale.
    None of my boats could take out a bridge and kill people doing so.
    My responsibility is primarily for my passengers and crew and of course for other small boats in my
    Vicinity. Been lucky, and careful so far, no damage.
    Needless to say, if you are the skipper of a 1,000 feet, 100,000 ton cargo ship with several black-out problems while sitting at the seawall, you should perhaps hesitate leaving your safe dock?
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    That was where my mind went. When you look at the accidents of the largest vessels, they just amplify the underlying risks involved with any vessel.
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    Real good update here;
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    I am sceptical that the Engine Pumps would be 6.6kV as is reported.
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    Engine pumps were 480v. They dropped off line when the low voltage buss tripped both breakers....transformer?

    When the 480v circuits were lost, the pumps stopped, and when the pumps stopped the engine shut down for safety. That was my take away.
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    Early in the commentary it stated they were 6.6 kV with that as primary and looking at the drawings the LV 3 Phase would have been 440 V
    Section 1.2 of the Preliminary Report says the Lube Pumps were driven by 6.6kV as was the thruster. That was my take away.
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    I listened to a summary. I didn't read the report. Summary stated both systems were 440. Makes sense they were 440.
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    The report states the Lube Pumps are 6.6kV and the Cooling Pumps are 440. At 6.52 in the Video the commentator says the same.