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Hydraulic doors safety

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by Pascal, Mar 11, 2024.

  1. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

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    Just had a close today while opening one the jet ski pod on the Lazzara 110. After lifting 6” it slammed back down. We haven’t been able to open it manually yet but seems like either the cylinder failed or one of the hoses inside the pod.

    If it had happened 5’ later as we were launching the jet ski it could have been fatal.

    we also a large hydraulic hatch at the bow for a storage area

    I always ass-umed these hydraulic cylinders had a built in valve to prevent this kind of failure. Obviously they don’t…

    for those of you with similar set up, what precaution do you take before someone gets in the space? A heavy tube to support the door so it can’t slam back down? Seems like the only option
  2. Pascal

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    Turned out it wasn’t an hydraulic problem but the 1/2” threaded rod at the end of piston snapping off…

    Still loosing sleep about safety.
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    Can you replace that with B7 threaded rod? It's not as corrosion resistant as SS but it's stronger.
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    Burrrrrrrrr, I'm going to have bad dreams thinking about this tonight.
    I am so glad nobody was hurt.
    A good thread and great reminder; Don't trust or stand under any articulating devices.
    Hatches, davits, moving decks and platforms, ,, when things do happen, it can hurt and more.
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    Hard to say for certain but it looks like that bolt failed due to bending/shearing stresses. Bolts and threaded rods are intended for axial loads only, this is why pre-tension torque measurements are so important in bolted connections.
    Was the pin through the jaws free to rotate?
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    I wonder if other Lazera owners have been here? Is there a Laz group or forum?
    If it is of future concern (after to operate repairs) I'd tap on an engineer to improve this hardware..
  7. Pascal

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    Yes the pin and jaw was free

    I ll take a picture of the piston and bracket / hinge tomorrow, but I doubt it is a Lazzara designed/manufactured piece. Probably off the shelf.

    we re going to add SS tubes to support the doors when open
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    Here is the hydraulic hinge used for the bow hatch. It is marked NS 13882 USA, with the S lower than the N. Pretty sure it is a Nautical structure product.
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  9. Capt Ralph

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    Is there two or just one of these operating the hatch?
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    One only … it goes up easily but it is a pretty big hatch.

    i have ordered some 1” SS tube so we can rig safety poles

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    Ah, that's what it looks like.
    My aged brain cells had it mostly pictured in my mind.
    A picture helps ole crappers like me.
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    I agree. Looks like the pin was seized or partially pulled out.
  13. Pascal

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    yes the bolt that goes thru the jaws was free to rotate

    we ve now set up 1” stainless steel poles to support all three hatches/pods. Nobody goes inside unless the poles are in position
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    For some time now, I have been holding my key-strokes back but Now I have to let it loose.
    Please don't take this negative.
    I don't think that bolt/rod just suddenly failed.

    It probably would not be in my list of items to check regularly and probably not in your regularly inspection item list either.
    But this may be a strong lesson to keep things like this on everybody's check list from now on.
    Including like items like side doors, hatches and transom doors.
    Not binding, over stressed, deflection of components, lack of lubrication or worn bushings.

    Heck, a gust of wind last year could of started this failure.
    Big wild hinges we are complacent with.
    Your experience is a good reminder and lesson; keep an eye on these and other assemblies.

    So glad no body was hurt.
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    Also, Put somebody in that garage with a flashlight, Ensure that bolt/rod/assembly is not under deflection when closed.
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    That’s why I posted this. In the almost 3 years I ve run this boat, all three have worked perfectly and I never really had any reason to suspect it could be a death trap. I ASSumed there would be a safety to prevent an accident….

    I have inspected the other 2, it all looks good but impossible to be sure. We re going to replace the other 2 at some point
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    Good lesson for us all.
    Understood well, Brother..:)
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    I just wonder how many boats have these Nautical Structure hinge/actuators with captain and crew no aware that a single bolt failure, as rare as it may be, could kill.
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    In my post #6 above, I would hope some way to get a message out to other Lazera operators sadly not on YF.
    To all other Nautical Structure customers, I hope your alert here, gets out.

    Further, not just Nautical Structure assemblies, any mechanical assembly operating with bodies close by.
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    I'm not an expert in marine hydraulics, but I've been around construction equipment for 35 years. Putting yourself under an assembly that is supported only by a single hydraulic ram is a no-no for the most part. I'm thinking dump truck beds and the like. They all include a mechanical (stiff leg) prop for maintenance purposes.