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Looking at a 1990 45C, Suggested details to look into?

Discussion in 'Viking Yacht' started by FL000, May 8, 2023.

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  1. motoryachtlover, May 9, 2023
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    Me personally I would wait till a 95 or so with MANs comes on the market. Nothing against Detroits but you know you are going to need expert help with those at some point and as Ralph said the experts are aging out. I am hearing that you have to be careful buying parts as some of them are of marginal quality. Keeping a boat reliable is enough trouble without having to worry about finding good parts and competent techs.
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  2. FL000, May 9, 2023
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    Thank you, the explanation is very much appreciated.
  3. FL000, May 9, 2023
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    Thanks for the reply. We're not in a huge hurry and I can't afford to get burned on something so we're being really careful at the moment. It does seem as if parts are hard to come by for certain things.
  4. Capt Ralph, May 9, 2023
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    You still have to shop for a quality MAN shop. Still a few MAN slobs out there
    But they are quieter, cleaner and more power per cubic foot of engine room space.

    MAN designs are just 50 plus years newer in a 95 built boat.
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  5. Capt Ralph, May 9, 2023
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    While I'm typing away, I'll bring up Cat power.
    Stay away from anything smaller than 3406s.
    Quickly keep walking (run) past anything with 31XX or 32XX model numbers.
    Yes, I'll take some heat on this post.
    The stuff I take from / for my friends. ;)
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  6. MBevins, May 9, 2023
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    You mentioned a Post out of Chicago, if this has been freshwater all it's life, that's a lot better than an East coast salt boat. Everything ages better than salt.
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  7. FL000, May 9, 2023
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    Was an east coast boat until owner took it to Chicago. Had it in a slip one year then a new job moved him somewhere else and the boat has been laid up for almost three. Not a fresh water boat unfortunately.
  8. liinw8, May 11, 2023
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    I've owned (and loved) my '90 45 Viking with 6V92TA 550's for the past several years, so feel free to pm me if you'd like to discuss anything over the phone. I'd be very surprised if the engines are DDEC's that year and hp. Mine are mechanical. Too much info for me to post but I'd be happy to post or discuss anything specific. Best of luck!
  9. DOCKMASTER, May 11, 2023
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    I'm shocked to hear you have a 1990 boat with non-DDEC. My 1994 boat was DDEC II. Here's what I found for DDEC info:

    The first system, DDEC I, lasted from 1987 to 1992, when it was replaced by DDEC II. All Old Style Series 60 11L & 12.7L engines were controlled by DDEC I, II or III until 1998.
  10. boatpoor, May 11, 2023
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    My 1993's are mechanical.
  11. FL000, May 11, 2023
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    What do people generally consider to be the benefits of the DDEC controls over mechanical? Or is it vice versa?
  12. Capt Ralph, May 12, 2023
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    Benefits of the DDEC?

    It offeres computer controlled tuning to other wise very dumb mechanical injectors.
    Over fueling issues went away.

    Max HP per lung is achieved.

    Electronic engine controls. No more push -pull cables.
    This also offered a better sync solution between the engines.

    Mostly Propitiatory, but a digital data buss offering better engine monitoring displays.
    Early digital dash.

    IMO; the engine idles smother. Idle recovers quicker when clutching around the dock.
    IMO; the engine sounds better. A cleaner-sharper bite in the exhaust bark.
    IMO; stinks better.


    Downsides of the DDEC?

    Hard for the DIYr to fix by him(her) self.

    Expensive parts. Only one repair shop.

    Max HP per lung is achieved.

    Sometimes, when it fails, that engine is down for a day, or two, or three, or,,,
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  13. Viking44MY, Jun 5, 2023
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    I know of many DD’s from the 80s that have never been overhauled and run just fine. Including mine.
  14. Viking44MY, Jun 5, 2023
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    There’s no benefit. The few small advantages are far outweighed by the downside of the added complication. Despite what DD sales brochures of the early 90s said they were added to the 2 strokes for only one reason - to try to meet new emissions standards. But they were really meant for the series 60s. Which were taken over by MTU.
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  15. Capt Ralph, Jun 5, 2023
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    Your just could be a 71 series, not really in this discussion.
    If your 92s liners and O rings have never been touched in 40 + years, Then somebody is fibbing somewhere or divine blessings may have to be brought up.
  16. Viking44MY, Jun 5, 2023
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    I do have 71s but I also know of several 1980s 6v92s that have never been overhauled and still running fine with 2000 - 3000 hours. All in 46 Posts.
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  17. Capt Ralph, Jun 5, 2023
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  18. boatpoor, Jun 5, 2023
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    Easy now Ralph. My 92's have about 2400 hours and haven't been apart since they were manufactured in 92 for a 93 Post 46.
  19. Capt Ralph, Jun 5, 2023
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    Witch is very different from the 80s.
    And yes my friend. I may have gotten carried aweigh,
    But I caution even your sweet and luved engines, those liner O rings are not going to last for ever.
  20. boatpoor, Jun 5, 2023
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    Yep, I say every spring, " this is the year for pistons and liners". Maybe next year.
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