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Hynautic Hydrauliс Controls

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by SplashFl, Oct 9, 2024.

  1. SplashFl

    SplashFl Senior Member

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    Been wondering why all 3 sets of controls (throttle & gears on tower, bridge, & cockpit) feel stiffer then I suspect they should be ? The air pressure tank has about 50 psi but no idea what fluid the system may contain nor what type it should have ? Don't want to mess with it till more is known.
  2. motoryachtlover

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    I have single station Hynautic controls on my 95 vintage Viking. Mine got stiffer over time. I contemplated switching to electric controls and decided against that for a couple of reasons. I then committed to a rebuild of the Hynautic controls. The fluid came out black. The components were sent out for rebuilding. I am really pleased with the results. The controls are much easier to move. I can do both controls with one hand now which aids when docking is challenging. Let me know if you want me to dig up the contact info on who rebuilt them. The guy was in Stuart. There is another guy on the west coast that I worked with on another Hynautic matter and I was really pleased with him as well. He specializes in Hynautics.
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    I would not want electric either. Who in Stuart rebuilt ??
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    I don’t know the name of his business but his name is Wayne Peyton. He is an excellent mechanic and honest to boot. Not cheap but the good ones aren’t. I will private message you with his phone number.
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  6. Capt Ralph

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    Usually port & stb are on their own system, Same for you?
    Different feel from port to stb controls?

    Of all the Hynautic controls I have ever operated, None were ever easy to push. The more in a hurry you are, the harder they feel.
    But just leaning on them a little will make them move.

    Over time, the bottom of the lines get dark/dirty.
    I reclaim the fluid and this dark will filter out.
    Always assumed old rubber and tarnish.
    The last time I ordered the original Hynautic fluid was near 3 years ago, was over 2 weeks to get in, I believe it was the last gallon in Dumbetic inventory.
    I've reclaimed every drop since then.

    Now everybody is just using cheap glycol.
    I was told once, more glycol than water will help. Coolant is thinner than water.
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    In your canister is a S/S mesh screen, it gets crap on it and restricts fluid. This is what is causing stiffness in all controls.
  8. SplashFl

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    Port & Starboard all one system. Only other vessel I ever ran with hydraulic controls was a 1970's Striker. Took some getting used to that one due to an annoying delay each time gears were changed but now believe back then it was due to her transmissions and had the controls been stiff I would have remembered that. Where you wrote, "the more in a hurry......" seems to fit the bill with this one. The nice thing is they stay where you put them.
    No idea what fluid is in the system so I'll have to "dig" into at least looking at it. Maybe drain & replace with glycol and see if that fixes or helps. The Hynautic steering fluid is dark & has a canister filter I replaced months ago but since having the main helm rebuilt works fine but don't think this system has any filter & so far only ever looked at the air pressure. The mention of glycol & water is interesting. So at this time I'm going to assume the controls do not take the same fluid as the steering ??
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    No idea at this time but where in the canister is it ? Any chance you know someone in this part of the world that works on these. I'm not all that far from Ft. Laud.
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    The bottom of your reservoir may have a big nut with a return line to it.
    Inside of it may be a rock type filter.
    This was an issue on old Hynautic steering systems but the control systems has very little return flow, not a part of the push/pull of operating the slave-servos.

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    Correct.
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    If it is dark, somebody added AFT. With a spin on filter, you have/had the old power-assist setup.
    Hopefully with the later cylinder system.
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    I ah ent used by auric engine controls in years but they don’t use ATF or hydraulic fluid. I can’t remember for sure but I believe they use single grade engine oil, don’t they ?
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    The original part number was HA5455 for the filtered fluid.
    I don't think it is available any more or rudely expensive.

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    No power assist on the steering. Steering is fine and no more helm leak since having the helm rebuilt. Was actually surprised when I found it had a filter. Probably the first time ever changed as it had a bunch of rust. I did find an open quart of tranny fluid but don't know if someone before my time ever added some like I suspect. I think I once read tranny fluid was ok but not good to mix with hydraulic fluid.
    Appears ebay has original hydraulic for the controls for $85.00 a gal. No idea how much the system holds.
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    The spin on filter was used on the power assist system.
    When I disabled past power assisted systems, I leave these filters in line also.
    If your filter was under pressure, then yours was still in the system.
    No pressure, was just left behind.
    I'm not sure of the viscosity between ATF and the factory recommended hydraulic steering fluid. I don't think enough to worry about.
    Just IMO, stay with the factory specs when I can. If working now, don't touch.
    One bottle should be enough.
    Keep the old stuff and filter it clean.
    https://www.westmarine.com/seastar-...id-for-engine-controls-1-gallon-14660948.html
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    Hydraulic steering issues Ocean Yacht.jpg Hydraulic steering issues Ocean Yachts2.jpg Does your steering system look like this?
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    Yes. The steering filter is definitely under pressure. No plans to mess with the steering but it's about time to get the controls as I believe they should be.
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    I remember working on one control system long ago, The compression fittings on the tube ends were tightened down to much restricting the flow a good bit.
    If your going to take the system down, Check all tubing ends.
    Oh, label the tubing ends well.
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