Click for Abeking Click for Westport Click for Ocean Alexander Click for Abeking Click for Walker

56M Perini S/Y Bayesian Sinks During Palermo Storm

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by kevin8tor, Aug 19, 2024.

  1. Liam

    Liam Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2010
    Messages:
    668
    Location:
    Malta
    To be honest this event is being blown way beyond Perini Navi's reach and might affect the whole yachting industry as a whole, even how classification societies function.
    It will be interesting in my opinion with a part of the crowd shouting Faulty Design, what is the part of Class Rules in all this.
    If a design is certified by class rules, as well as the build being made to class, what is there need if all this comes to be really bad design after sinking.
    Is classing a yacht really just a tax rubber stamp after all....

    The sue has been dropped, with TISG firing the lawyer in question.
    This was of very bad taste, and a strategic madness made from someone out of his senses in both marketing and publicity.
    If the lawyer was made to do this by someone, I think we will soon hear a counter sue from him.

    I am not sure why TISG is really worried about Bayesian so much, since it was build in 2008, well out of there time and age, and they only own Perini the name for the past two years.
    I think they delivered a Catamaran this year, with a 56 meter ketch under build at the moment.
  2. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    8,610
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Could they be worried because later or current builds can flood with the same amount ridiculously low angle?

    I really doubt Bayesian was the only PN with this issue.
    rtrafford and lobo like this.
  3. mapism

    mapism Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    2,189
    Location:
    Sardinia
    Because the name is all they were interested in, that's why.
    And while some folks think that there's no such thing as bad publicity, pretty sure this event is giving the name the worse publicity imaginable.

    So, Costantino being more a money shifter rather than a boatbuilder, the effect of this event on his money is what he's really concerned about.
    Mind, this isn't just my opinion: the man went as far as proudly declaring to NOT be a boatbuilder in an interview, even before taking over Perini.
    Sorry for those who don't speak Italian, but since I know you do, just click here to check the relevant 15 seconds of such interview, straight from the horse's mouth.
    Which BTW is all that is worth watching, in that 7+ minutes ramble.
    For those less familiar with the language, the literal translation of his statement goes like:
    "We build yachts and megayachts, but we don't see ourselves as a naval yard - rather a luxury brand."

    Now, I bet we will never hear from the 84 years old founder Fabio Perini any comments, because he is a gentleman. But I guess it must be painful for him, a technically minded genius who registered countless patents (not only in boatbuilding but also in several other industries), to watch this shitshow... :(
  4. Liam

    Liam Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2010
    Messages:
    668
    Location:
    Malta
    From a certain point of view Yes from an other No. In the sense Bayesian, was the largest sloop single mast Perini Navi ever made, being also the most suspect to this unusual event when the stars aligned.
    Also a mistake many are making in the review of the accident and the yachts lean angle, that a Perini is not a sailing yacht but is really a motor sailor with a round bilge hull with a lifting keel, as described very well in the Power&MotorYacht review of the event by Bill Prince, which I think is the best technical review I have seen so far.

    The mentioned engine room air-intakes, I think could be resolved with an automatic system which some might say it is not, or even modify the air duct from a higher deck. I do not think it is so difficult to do and also not super expensive.
  5. rtrafford

    rtrafford Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2019
    Messages:
    1,796
    Location:
    Vero Beach
    The problem still is found in both of the on-deck living areas. Both are recessed. Both are very large spaces. Both are quite close to the cap rail. Both have open stair access from the flush deck. Both will immediately welcome a significant amount of water. That's ton of weight being added instantly to a healing vessel.

    But the lights still went out before the mast appeared to lean beyond 15-20 degrees, so was even more at play?
    Capt Ralph likes this.
  6. BlueNomad

    BlueNomad Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2022
    Messages:
    107
    Location:
    At Sea
    Approval of the stability characteristics comes from the flag state, in this case directly from the UK Maritime and Coastguard Agency in Southampton under the Large Yacht Code provisions.

    The builder, designers, etc must do whatever is required in order for approval to be granted.

    This vessel was approved under the LY2 iteration in 2008. Bear in mind this Code of Practice has been and currently still is the preeminent standard for large commercial yacht certification. The current iteration is called the Red Ensign Group (REG) Large Yacht Code.

    https://ukshipregister.co.uk/registration/large-yacht-part-1/codes-practice-and-standards
  7. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,602
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    Unlike the builder, these kids are quiet as a church mouse.
    So Far...
  8. Yacht News

    Yacht News YF News Editor

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    27,471
    Location:
    Caribbean
    According to the latest news....she is set to be raised in April in a salvage operation that is expected to last 3 weeks.