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Electric Tugboats; The Future?

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  1. Yacht News

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    When you think about harbour tug boats you think about strong and brawny diesel-powered boats with high bollard strength. Well it turns out that electric tugs are just now catching on.

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    I was going to say something about how forward-looking we are here in Vancouver, getting these electric tugs...

    It turns out they're actually headed north, to Kitimat, where they'll mostly be used getting LNG carriers into and out of a new port and processing plant there.
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    I also found it odd that they had the registry on the back of the tug welded on as Vancouver and then seems like it was re-registered to Kingstown (St. Vincent...here in the Caribbean).
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    Anyone know how these tugs will be set up? It is my understanding that a locomotive is DC powered. If that is correct will these tugs be similar with a monster engine or engines producing DC electricity?
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    That would be nothing new.
    Diesel Electric Tugs have been around for ages, as were D.E. submarines.
    These must be newer technology than that.
  6. Capt Ralph

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    I assume from the first post were talking all electric boat.
    I could not listen past the first few seconds of the video.
    Not EMD or hybrid.
    So, watching the HP applied and battery available, a required tug may have to suddenly pull off to go re-charge.
    Just what a pig ship wants to hear approaching on a pier.
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    It has a generator... to charge batteries or direct to propulsion as a back up.
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    So, It is not an all electric boat (as title to post 1 video), then a hybrid or EMD.
    Then, Big Fraking Deal. (For those in Santa Rio; BFD).
    EMD's have been around forever.
    Generator charged batteries have already proven a waist of manure.

    So where is a break thru making this post worth reading???
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    The breakthrough is the battery bank, its primary source of power.
    The generators seem to be for emergency only, not for daily use.
    Hat off to the designers and operators for being bold.

    Other battery powered vessels:
    https://www.fdiintelligence.com/content/feature/european-ferry-industrys-electric-dreams-83183#
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    Interesting thread for sure, Burger Boats is on the cutting edge of this vessel electrification trend and has been quiet about it so far as I can tell with minimum press releases, but they (Burger) have built two or three new Maids of the mist vessels for Hornblower Marine owner of the Niagra Falls tour boats that are all electric using ABB and Niad Dynamics equipment. ABB supplied the 400 kw azimuthing thrusters for propulsion and Niad for bow and stern thrusters. I believe these new maids have been in service for over two yrs. now. Seems reasonable to have electric driven vessels for short haul trips like short haul ferries going across fiords town to town but will be interesting when the hybrid concept of small ICE to recharge the battery systems underway for long haul scenarios. Time will tell.
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    From the above article; Fully electric ferries typically operate over short distances, while hybrid vessels that combine a diesel engine with battery storage are used on longer journeys.

    Large differences between ferries and tugboats.
    A ferry has a known route & schedule, applies a calculated charge to a motor for efficient operation. Recharges at the end of each hop.
    A tugboat has no repeatable schedule, either loiters (off the dock) or quickly works under heavy loads. Can not stop what it's doing to go recharge.

    Then it's a hybrid. Not all electric as the OP states.

    I'm sorry guys for being a poop on lots of this stuff.
    I realize that Green has to be more in our future and prototypes need to be built and tested,
    but robbing Peter to pay Paul is Not Green.
    My #1 example (of many), Where is the green in the mining of the minerals for the battery construction.
    Anybody witness one of these sites? Looks like the belly of hell.
    The amount of pollution and destruction from one of these sites is alarming but nobody cares.
    Or at least, our wonderful media is not reporting on it but headlining another electric boat.
    Big Fake Deal.
  12. BlueNomad

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    The all-electric ship (AES) has historically been defined as one where all power generation is centralised and all loads electrified. As the largest power consumer is typically main propulsion, the AES would be powered by electric motors fed via the main distribution system.

    Specialised vessels with unique requirements, e.g. military craft with high C4I or other operational demands, or cruise ships with very large hotel loads, etc, would ensure all loads are powered electrically, see link below.

    The electrical source is most commonly a diesel-fuelled generator(s). The efficiency in this arrangement is achieved through matching power generation, both in quantity and thermodynamic efficiencies, to the instantaneous loading condition.

    As several posts above have stated, this is not a new concept or technology. My opinion is that the difference between physical realities and marketing claims/advertisements should be made clear.

    https://www.militaryaerospace.com/power/article/16709181/all-electric-ships
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    Your post #12 article was originally printed July 1, 2003.
    Lithium, cobalt and other fire bomb materials were not in mass corruption mode as yet.

    It forecasted “AEPS” in the EU and US Navy’s soon.
    “If current program schedules hold, the British, French, and Italian ships will enter service between 2006 and 2009, while the U.S. Navy DD(X) will enter service in 2011.”
    The US Navy has built it’s Zumwalt-class DDG (Dumwalt) with some electric pods. Big deal.

    But as your article explains, electrical consumption, fuel generated. Still not a whole EV. *
    After wading thru old, deceptive, out of date scripts, Your last comment was most correct;
    My opinion is that the difference between physical realities and marketing claims/advertisements should be made clear.

    My last comment shall be; I trust nothing the media, government or tree huger have to say or type, when it comes to EVs. *
    Or much anything else.



    * Electric Vehicle or Electric Vessel.
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    Yes, date of publication was one of the reasons I selected it. The idea was to give some background and technical rationale for the AES concept. The article does not mention batteries, supercapacitors or any other energy storage system.

    It seems we're arguing the same point, along with a few others in the thread, that headlines and marketing fluff surrounding electric vehicles in general don't stand up to even moderate levels of scrutiny. Battery-powered marine craft much less so.

    The reality is we have nothing remotely close to the energy density of diesel fuel or other petrochemical products for producing the on-demand power required in most ships, boats and other marine or land-based applications. Other than nuclear reactors.
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    reality
    There is an interesting thought.
    Thank you brother☺
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