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Transducer Won’t Read Through Hull

Discussion in 'Electronics' started by DOCKMASTER, Jun 30, 2023.

  1. DOCKMASTER

    DOCKMASTER Senior Member

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    I upgraded my dinghy (Novurania 430DL) from a 2001 model to a 2016. I took my Simrad NSS7 and Airmar P79 thru-hull transducer from the old boat and installed it in the newer boat. Now the transducer won’t work thru the hull like it used to. If I hold it over the side in the water it works perfectly. But I cannot get it to read when in the mount on the hull. It is installed properly and has the required propylene glycol in the mount. I don’t know if Novurania switched from a solid hull to a cored hull and if that is giving me problems? I couldn’t find any hull info online to speak of. Anyone have any ideas or recommendation for a different xducer? I prefer to not use a transom mount xducer due to my chock arrangement when it’s on the bow.
  2. mapism

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    Cored hull was my guess while reading your description of the problem, even before you mentioned it.
    'Dunno how Novurania hulls are built, though.
    But if that's the culprit, I think you'll struggle to find an alternative that works without drilling a hole and fit a through-hull xducer...

    PS: I'm saying this because I've also an Airmar P79 in my boat.
    Fitted right along the keel centerline (against installation instructions), where the grp is thick as a brick, sealed to the bottom with silicone which supposedly isn't as good as glycol for best results, and it's still working just perfectly after almost 20 years!
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  3. Pascal

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    Either core or some voids in the laminate
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    It is odd that same xducer worked on other boat which is exact same model but was 15 years older. Hard to imagine they changed their manufacturing and went to cored for a RIB boat. And the weight of the boat is similar to old one. I may try to relocate the xducer to another location and see if I get same issue. I guess it is possible that I somehow got lucky on the old boat and found a more solid spot it read through. If relocation doesn’t work it looks like I have a hole saw in my future :);)
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    Problem with transom mounted xducers on dinghies is that sometimes if you pull it too far over the chock, the rear chock can break the bracket.
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    I really can’t use a transom mount. I have a stopper chock that the transom butts up against to make loading easy. I could put one off to the side but I’ll bet it would get busted off the first time I went to load the boat.
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    Since sealing the ring to the bottom and fill with glycol before fitting the P79 is a bit of a PITA, if the interior of the hull is as smooth as usually Novuranias are, I would first try moving the transducer around without any preparation at all.
    I mean, it will never give an accurate reading without a proper installation of course, but if by moving the transducer around with its bottom as attached as possible to the hull you find a spot that gives "some" reading, you're good to go.
    And don't dismiss the exact hull centerline, which might well be more solid.
    As I said, that's against the manufacturer recommendation, but it has worked just fine for many years in my boat.
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    Put the transducer in a ziploc bag of water, move it around the inside of the boat and see if you can find a place for it to read through, the only area might be center bilge on the pad.
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    fantastic idea, will try that. I was trying to think of a way
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    You really don't need to bother with the water bag.
    As I said in my previous post, you can just slide the transducer around the hull interior, and if/when it will meet solid GRP, it will read through it even if there's a very thin layer of air in between. It won't give an accurate reading, but you only need to find the right spot where it does work.
    Tried and tested with the very same transducer.
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    I’ll give it a try but I know previously when I had a pin hole leak in the mount and the fluid ran out it wouldn’t read at all.
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    It all depends on how smooth the interior hull surface is - and I half recall it's pretty smooth in Novuranias.
    Besides, in a normal installation with glycol there's no need to put the transducer as much in contact as possible with the GRP, so it stands to reason that it stop reading after the fluid ran out.

    Anyway, the water bag can only improve the transmission, of course.
    I would just keep it as a plan B if the dry test gives no result.
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    Cored hull. I rigged my 550DL myself. Installed a B60.

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    Where on the hull did you install the transducer? Any issues with it reading given the hull deadrise? What head unit do you have? I need to find a transducer that will work with my Simrad NSS
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    I can't be positive about your Simrad display, but many transducers are actually built by Airmar, and they just come with the appropriate plug depending on the display model you must used them with.
    In fact, also the B60 that CaboFly mentioned is an Airmar transducer, and aside from being available for different displays, it also comes in two version, both flush with the hull bottom but internally tilted inside the housing, at either 12 or 20 degrees.
    And supposed to work well with a hull deadrise from 8 to 15 deg or 16 to 24 respectively.
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    I have Furuno 12 inch TZ Touch 2 on Novurania. The B60 is a well known ducer especially on smaller boats. Built by Airmar and works with all electronics manf. I installed a 20 degree. I added that access plate so I could reach inside hull to tighten nut. Performance is fantastic. I don't like transom mount transducers very much.
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    Where in the boat did you install yours? I put an access plate under the bench seat in front of the console and that’s where my Transducer is. It would be convenient to use same location. Just curious where you punched your hole in the hull to put yours in?
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    I just went out to shop and measured. 19 inches forward of transom. 4 inches off centerline to starboard side. Protractor app on phone indicates 19.7 degrees deadrise at face.

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    Thank you!
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    That is on a 550DL. What size do you have?