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Post 42 owners - check my maintance cost assumptions?

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  1. incoming

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    I know there's a ton of threads across various different sites on the topic of sport fish ownership costs (I think I've read them all). But, heck, why not one more?

    Since we moved to FL from the Chesapeake, I'm thinking of stepping down to a more "affordable" boat with a shallower draft and no tower.

    To date, my current viking has cost me almost triple the $1000/ft/year ownership cost rule of thumb. A lot of that has been maintenance/repairs that were deferred by the previous owner but didn't turn up in the survey/due dilligence, so I may be over the hump or I may not. I'm hoping next year will be a lot less.

    Still, the Post 42 seems to have everything I need (~25kt cruise, not a 58 viking but still safe/capable offshore, 2 staterooms) and if I could save $50-$100k/year in ownership cost it seems hard to justify sticking with the viking, especially when the central FL waters are skinny and the tower limits me from getting under local bridges.

    Am I fooling myself that the post owership cost will be signficantly less? I already have an inexpensive slip ($6k/year). I'm guessing $40-$50k per year for everything else (about $1300/ft, because inflation)

    Also, how bad is the parts situation for the TAMD 74p volvos? I had the comparable 480 cummins in my previous boat, which were astonishingly easy to find relatively affordable parts (thanks mostly to sbmar). Would the volvos parts be 20% more? Double? Doesn't matter because you can't find parts?

    42 post budget estimate:
    slips - $10k (including transients)
    fuel - $12k (75-100 hours per year)
    insurance - $8k
    service & repairs - $22k
    bottom cleaning - $2k
    washes - $5k
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  2. abfish

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    I don't have a Post 42, but my Mikelson 43 is close. I think your costs are realistic, based on my five-year average.

    As you know, the service and repairs are the hardest to pin down. Last year, I spent $5K on service and repairs, but the year before it was $30k for engine alignment, bottom job and new curtains.

    My insurance is not that high, but my boat value is only $350K.
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  3. incoming

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    My insurance would be about 30-50% cheaper in the mid atlantic.
  4. Capt Ralph

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    This is going to happen again; Another hump in fixing those surprises, mission updates, decorating and new soft stuff.

    Where did you get $1k/ft/year from?
    Your rather conservative number above already blew that formula up.

    IMO, With no warranties left, it is closer to $2k/ft/year just sitting there (in Florida), for most diesel boats of our sizes.

    With a smaller boat, Yes; Hopefully your overall expenses, compared to your Viking, will go down,,, some.:oops:
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  5. incoming

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    That number is several years old, suggested to me back when I was investigating sportie upkeep costs before I bought my first - a 38 bert. That's why i thought ~$1300/ft might be accurate accounting for inflation. But you are right to point out boating costs in FL in particular have gone up way more than 30% in the past 3-5 years. Double is probably more accurate.
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    So you fixed all the issues on your current boat and you think you won’t have to do it all over again on the next one ?

    Volvos costs more to maintain but the first thing to check is whether there are good Volvo shops in your area. Which engines do you have now in the 58?

    in my experience, boat size doesn’t affect operating costs as much as the other factors incl build quality, history, maintenance and current conditions.

    both a 42 and a 58 have… 2 engines, a generator, a steering system, an electrical system, 2 driveshafts/props/struts, a water heater and water pump, pretty much the same air con system with maybe one fewer AH in the smaller boat, a windlass, electronics etc.

    The only thing directly impacted by LOA is the monthly diver, dockage (maybe), haul out and paint every 12-18 months. That s it.

    If anything, maintenance on a smaller boat coat more because access is usually a lot tougher.

    think king and hard before downsizing.

    now if the 58 is not well suited for your cruising area, then it’s a different issue.
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    well i certainly fixed a lot of issues! but it's never all :) Agree there are always issues with a new boat and that needs to be factored in as well.

    I don't agree that other systems don't scale with size. Its not really 2 engines vs 2 engines. Its more like 24 cylinders vs. 12, and just because the parts are called the same thing doesn't mean they are the same price. A new water pump for my old 6CTA was < $1k. A brand new aftercooler was a couple thousand. I have no idea what a d28 man intercooler is but i'd bet its north of $10k (just the intercooler gasket is something like $600) and a raw water pump is probably $3 or $4k. I have 5 AC's, 3 heads, 3 helms - all of those things add up.
  8. Greg Page

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    I wish I hadn't added it up but was curious since you raised the question.

    We have an older (1989) 43 Post but with newer (now 5 years old) CAT C7.1's We have had the boat 2 years, kicking off 3rd season cruise tomorrow. Use is typically 50-70 hrs/year for our prior boats, a closer to 50 the last 2 years due to COVID shutting down many of the small towns we like to frequent.

    We have our own slip, so no in-season slip cost (unless I include dredging costs) and Insurance is about $2k/year. I do as much labor as I can (less as the body ages), but includes labor for overhauling the galley and installing the wood floors (floors aren't in the above since I didn't keep the materials receipts).

    Also no purchase/finanace costs included.

    Costs for 2 years:
    $24,245 - Deferred maintenance following purchase, includes a new GenSet
    $25,627 - Scheduled maintenance, includes 1000 Hr
    $12,482 - Winterizing/de-winterizing, includes typical out of water annual maintenance
    $ 8,000 - Operating, fuel and transient slips
    $ 7,104 - WInter storage
    $15,680 - Upgrades

    Total $93,138 or $46,569 per year, about $1100/ft/year


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    I don't agree with the size versus cost issue, either. That's like saying a 4,000 sq.ft. house costs the same to maintain as a 2,000 sq.ft. house because they both have one roof, one driveway and one garage.
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  10. Capt Ralph

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    Hang on
    My wallet is still on life support after last fall. New shaft and inverter batteries.
    New inverter & ships batteries the Year before.
    New battery cables and new #2 cables to the helm just run.
    Piles of little things.
    Some new 24V equipment installed. New 19' antennas on order now.
    And I still have 4 pages of things to fix. List keeps getting longer (fix one, find two more issues).
    Shopping for new 24" laundry machines also (again).

    This all started 20 years ago on a $90k boat.
    Probably cost way over $250k in repairs and upgrades thru these years.
    It's only a $150k boat now (maybe).

    It's just the two of us now, I can not afford to get a smaller boat and give up what we have.
    Ole 48', 45 year old tank.

    Then this thread comes up. I think I messed up that money / foot / year formula so please don't hold my feet to the fire for to long.

    But, It is still a lot of cash moving into another boat.
    You may not get the cash back on your current boat.

    Up north, Boat season and service is different. Still expensive just different expenses columns.
    I'm still convinced it cost way more in Florida. We boat all year so just more wear & tear keeps my wallet in ICU.

    But cash just hurts. Smiles covers the pain (so I'm told).
    Bottom line;
    Will the smaller boat really get used more? Usable by the family? Keep peace with the wife?

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  11. Greg Page

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    The 1000 Hr on my 500 HP CATS was $4500. I'm sure the engines in a 58 Viking are a good bit more.

    FYI the 43 Post cruises 24 kts at 70% load with the CATS
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    This is a tough one. There are no hard and fast rules on the cost of boat ownership. So many variables, where is the boat located, how much use does it get, who made the boat, how does the owner like to keep the boat, etc. My experience with owning my 1995 54 Viking since 2007 has been that annual cost of ownership goes up with the age. I get the impression that your boat stays behind your house and that you are at a minimum moderately handy. That means if you have the time and desire you can take care of a lot of the small maintenance that doesn’t require a professional. My situation is that I live in VA and keep the boat in FL. I have to pay someone to do most everything. Also I have spent the bulk of my life looking after buildings, heavy equipment, trucks, etc. I have had engines rebuilt, bought reman engines, have had compressors go out on AC units, on and on. What I am getting at is that I have learned at some point you are money ahead to replace a system with new than to keep rebuilding existing and dealing with the downtime, loss of production, frustration etc. therefore I have been replacing AC systems, painting the boat, installing a new davit, on and on. On an older boat you start getting into replacing systems and components and that all is expensive but it does result in me enjoying my boat more. Boats are very expensive luxury items so one has to love it to put up with it.

    I think after you sell your 58 pay the commission and buy your 42 Post and fix things up you won’t have that much left over. But if you don’t travel (spending the night) on the boat a lot then a 58 is overkill. Sounds like the size of the 58 is restricting your use. If that is the case then downsizing might be right for you, but I don’t think it will significantly lower your annual operating expenses. If this were my dilemma my primary question would be will the downsize result in me and my family taking the boat out more and go from there. The post will probably give you a foot less draft. Is that enough to make a difference? Could you remove the tower, and get under the bridges easier. Don’t throw things at me but get your wife’s thoughts on this. If both spouses aren’t in agreement on boat and boat Money that usually results in friction. Good luck
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    I think you, sir, just managed to sum up boating quite succinctly with this quote. Smiles and pain - sounds like a good life to me!
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    Put the numbers for your 58 side by side with these. Enough difference to matter much?

    Then consider that starting over with another new-to-you boat will likely cost you the same amount of fix-it money you've just put into the 58.

    As I said in your earlier thread, my first recommendation would probably be to lose the tower and 'riggers and keep the Viking.

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    Yes, if the numbers I posted above are about right for a post or similar, I’m forecasting my Viking to be double next year those numbers. The first two years, it’s been triple, and all it takes is one or two bigger things to break and it will be triple again.

    The point of this thread is whether i have the post costs about right. If I have to spend $150-$200k on in the first 18 mo on deferred maintenance/repairs/upgrades on the post, clearly I’ve gained nothing and I should just stick with what I have or suck it up and be boatless until I can recover from the last 18 mo of bleeding.
  16. FL000

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    Just curious, for the hardcore DIY'ers out there, to what degree have you been able to get that $1000 per foot number down by tackling stuff yourself?
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    How much, how deep, how long of a DIY project are you asking about?

    Just an over all answer depends on a few topics.

    Are you competent to work on your engines?
    All the little tools?
    Have an understanding of AC and DC volt systems?
    Have an understanding of galvanic erosion.
    Carpenter and plumbing skills?
    Understand the correct hose clamp cost bux. Not to use the hose 15cent hose clamp from the local hardware store.
    Understand the correct wire and crimps don't come from that hardware store also.
    Understand the correct screw does not come from that hardware store also.

    I feel the materials cost about the same. Some materials and parts are warrantied to/by the tech, not to DIYers..

    Not on blood thinners.

    Have a realistic approach on issues.
    Your Aqua Space Ship must be safe and self reliant. Lives depend on it.

    You may not have an insurance claim if your DIY project sinks the boat.
    Read your policy or a quick call to your agent.

    If your still reading this, then yes, you can work on your own boat.
    Your probably not going to save a lot but you may learn more about your boat.

    Famous quote from the movies;
    A man must know his limitations...
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    Ralph, maybe we can compare notes over a beer sometime but, until then, other than not being a DD expert, I can hold my own.
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    I have my own DDC tools, But no sir, I'm an not a DD expert.
    I purchase my parts and have an open ear to my DD vendor who are THE experts.
    Same shop for near 40 years.

    If you can work on them, That is great. I'm not typing that down.

    I'm not just a DIYr, but a guy for many years that raced around coastal FL & GA working on boats.
    After my many insurance companies were paid off, I still had bacon on my plate,,, sometimes.
    Never an unhappy customer. Never an insurance claim.
    And when we could afford it, that bacon was dam good.

    During these years is when/where I have witness so much calamity of folk trying to fix it them selves and it needing to be fixed again.
    Hence most of my wind in post #17.

    To answer your broad question required this wind but the conclusion is and will always be correct, for any DIY project;
    A man must know his limitations...

    I'm not allowed out of these swamps now days, When you travel down here, We'll put some beer/hooch down for sure.
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    I'm smart enough to respect others' experience, just wondering to what degree the $1000/ft rule of thumb can be beat into submission! For what it's worth, I wouldn't want to go 100 miles offshore with a boat and a load of close friends if I didn't know I could get them home safely with some of my own ingenuity, so knowing how things work is safety in my mind.
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