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  1. KazInVan

    KazInVan New Member

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    Hello, I'm starting my research on larger boats and aim to buy one in 5-6 years when I retire. We live in Vancouver, Canada and I want to be able to take weekend trips or even trips lasting ~10 days. Plenty of places to explore along the west coast of Canada and the Pacific Northwest USA. I may buy a cabin cruiser in the next couple of years as a weekender and stepping stone into something bigger down the road. Goal is to have plenty of space for 4 people (2 adults, 2 teens) but occasionally have guests we can squeeze in as well.

    Right now, I don't even know what type of boat I should consider. I see boats like Nordhavn, Selene, Ranger Tugs, etc. These all seem to be in one type of 'class'. Then there are boats like Galeon, Azimut, Sea Ray, Carver, Tiara, etc. Not sure how these type of boats generally differ, pros and cons, etc. Any insight or links to helpful resources would be great.

    My fist take seems to be that the first types are a little more sea worthy, with more redundancy and ability to travel further offshore?
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    You have to help us more. What of all those boats you mentioned above do you like? What appeals to you.? What amenities are you looking for? How fast do you want to go ? Keep in mind weather often dictates speed, even if you vessel can Cruise at 30 knots.. it’s not always achievable.
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    ranger58sb Senior member

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    Maybe sorta kinda... or not. Different boats are designed for different (expected) usage.

    You might get a copy of the Powerboat Guide and use that to see what boats appeal to you... and what boats might meet your requirements as you gradually identify those. (An example "requirement" might be "ability to quickly hop from port to port" or some such... which might in turn eliminate some of the "slower boat" candidates. Et cetera.)

    Another complementary approach would be to look around at boats being used in the waters you're considering.

    And you may find comments here about various boat brands/models, sometimes needing to read between the lines a bit...

    -Chris
  4. StillLearning

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    Start with some charters. There is a great place in the PNW we have used in the past, Northwest Explorations I think. They supply a captain if needed, and you could pick up a lot of training.

    My personal opinion is that you have to spend time on boats to really understand what will appeal to you - and what is not important.
  5. KazInVan

    KazInVan New Member

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    I'm going to be moving up from a ski boat so today I'm used to speed and performance. I lean more towards a sleeker boat that has some speed but I'm keeping an open mind. I'm also aware that moving a large boat quickly requires significant power and thus fuel. So really I'm looking at everything and trying to be objective.

    What is important to me is being comfortable and having the necessities. I'll likely need one larger berth for my wife and I, and two separate single beds for the twins. Will need a decent galley to prepare food, and a place to eat. I also want a boat I can use during the winter months, maybe not on the very cold days or in very rough winds but we do get mild days that allow for cruising. So, probably a boat that has a closed cabin make sense, but one that opens into an open area in the summer would be nice. I don't need high-end luxury nor a boat that can cross the Pacific. Even if my boat could make such a crossing, I don't have the skill and experience to tackle that. I'm looking for coastal cruising between marinas and anchoring in bays.

    The Galeon 410 HTC seems to fit these requirements having the sleeping space, galley, etc. I also like how the gunwale folds down to make a large open deck. The issue I see here is the boat has no tender, once at anchor how do I get to shore unless I swim (or use a paddleboard, etc.)?

    If I look at a similar size Nordhavn, the N41, It has a tender, closed cabin, etc. but only a single berth. This boat looks like it could handle much rougher seas and built like a tank for year-round living on the water. Also, fuel capacity is triple in the Nordhavn so range and time on the water seem to be design goals for the boat.

    The Nordhavn is about $750K new, the Galeon is about $975K new. I plan to buy a used boat regardless but that gives me an idea of price comparisons at least. I'm not sure about running costs of the two boats, but I'm assuming the Nordhavn with diesel would be less expensive.

    I'm not married to either of these boats, just using them as representative examples from different classes.
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    KazInVan New Member

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    Thanks, I'll check out that guide. I always check out the boats on the water, and at the marina. I see everything from cuddy cabins to this beauty: https://www.*********************/yachts/editorial-features/attessa-iv-yacht--247
    I do also talk to people about their boats when I get the opportunity.
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    If I were you , I would change up my tactics. First put a realistic budget together which includes the up keep , usage , dockage, and insurance costs to name a few.

    Next figure what kind of power you want gas or diesel, diesel being the way to go for a larger vessel.

    How many staterooms you want, heads and showers, galley , salon.

    Do you want full exterior walk around deck with enclosed handrail or not.

    How fast you want to travel.

    Do you want duel helm stations ? Or just a bridge top station, which can be open or enclosed.

    How mechanical are you, really, with all the stuff the boat has to offer. You can not rely on others to always do the work and repairs.

    Many time even the smallest waters are nasty and it sure is nice to have a boat that can really handle it.

    Yachtworld offers a good site to check out all kinds of boats. You can plug in your budget price, length, engine power , etc. and search for something that catches your eye. Then you can further check out those boats and narrow it down to a few manufacturers. All the while educating yourself along the way.
  8. KazInVan

    KazInVan New Member

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    Thanks cleanslate. I'm not ready to put together a budget quite yet, at least 5 years out from buying this boat. Just getting educated on what options are out there. A lot can happen in the next 5 years, and who knows I may delay retirement for a few years after that.

    If I had to pick today, thinking a boat that can do 20-25 knots, 2 staterooms, 2 heads (1 shower), galley, salon. Thinking the boat will be large enough that I'll want a tender to get around once at my destination. Probably a single helm is fine, though I don't know enough about the pros/cons of a second.
    I'm handy but can likely only deal with basic repairs. If an engine breaks down I'm unlikely to be taking it apart to fix it. Redundancy is likely necessary, just for peace of mind.
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    That's basic, but probably a decent start on defining your requirements. Develop more of that, over time. For example, what kind of master stateroom? V berth? Center island? Full walk-around? Household shape? Electric or propane galley? AC or AC/DC fridge and freezer? (AC only implies inverter installation). Et cetera.

    Another thought to develop is about that dinghy idea. The dinghy MOUNT adds some complexity you can solve best during your shopping phase. For example, tenders and be lifted onto a boat deck or onto the bow (need lifting davit), or they can be carried on a swim platform (need reinforcement, and/or hydraulic lift), or in some cases towed (although not usually at 20-25 kts). All of that lifting/carrying system, and the dinghy size, type, speed (horsepower), weight are are best solved -- or at least postulated -- while you are deciding boat type/size/features. Some more et cetera.

    -Chris
  10. KazInVan

    KazInVan New Member

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    Chris, I suppose I'm not that picky on the type of berth. I wouldn't turn pass over a boat based on that. Electric vs propane and the electrical systems are somethings I'll definitely research, thanks. Dinghy is also going to change things, I'll have to give that some thought. Thanks!
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    You might not be... but your wifey may well have specific preferences. I didn't think to mention it earlier, but that and all your other requirements must be jointly defined.

    -Chris