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  1. Capt Ralph

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    History will also prove, every time fuel cost go up, they never return.
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    And for electric car braggarts, electric prices are up significantly and will continue to rise. Batteries aren't immune from gas prices.
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    I have no idea how an electric car is "Green" minded.
    IMO, it rapes the earth in a most horribly way mining for battery chemicals.
    Requires the same plastic, rubber, carpeting, insulation, and more that are petroleum based.
    Still not much is recyclable.

    It's a wraith, and still counter to the E cause.

    Why is this forced on people who don't want it or can not afford it.
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    Agreed. So following the logic, who controls the rare earth market, the slave labor market, and themselves want the oil and gas market controls, want our own reserves left in place for their future exploitation? I mean, this isn't a difficult riddle to solve for anyone willing to actually stop and think through it.
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  5. bayoubud

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    I have yet to hear anyone say the cost to charge one of those big EV batteries at home or on the road. It must "FREE", right? You just plug in to a charging station and 10/12 hrs. later you're ready to go another 200/250 miles! So, a 1000-mile trip only takes 4/5 days, and 3/4 motel stays. A lot of unnecessary time and expense plus the charging fees. So, you burn up lots of vacation time just driving. How fun would that be?
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    I m not a big fan of EV but in all fairness there are now fast charging stations that will recharge EVs in about 30’ so you can go on with your trip. Still takes much longer than filling up a tank…
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    Watched a video of two young ladies try to make it from Texas, a few states north and back over a weekend.
    What a calamity. Can you imagine stopping to charge and waiting 2-4 hours for a full charge? They had to take some partial charges so to keep on the road.
    They spent many hours of their trip just sitting and waiting for a charge.
    Just back in time for one of the girls to walk into work, with road fiz and rage.

    Free??
    Texas will be enduring rolling brown outs again this summer.
    The electric grids and infrastructure can not deal with what there is now. Yea, go ahead and plug in just another 100 cars in Texas.
    Lets see who your understanding neighbors, really are when their home A/C cycles off...
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    Just read that Tesla /supercharging can get 80% in 30 to 45 minutes. Better but still inconvenient.
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    I wonder if that fast charging requires 480V. If so most homes will not have that available.
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    Tesla says:
    level 1@ 120v
    level2@ 24ov
    level3@ 408v fast charging .....what!
    Few residential houses have 408 volt service. It would be expensive for that $ervice if available, plus the fast charger system installed.
    Those Pro- EV people don't talk about the cost of maintaining an EV or even the price of the auto....
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    I do not know the Amp requirement for a Tesla, Anybody have that figure?

    My first thoughts;
    Most homes are wired for 100 Amp service. Larger homes can have 200Amp service.
    The monster of a transformer to deliver a 408V charge AND the required amperage for the batteries to charge in a quick fashion, can not happen at a regular home.
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    While the current president has chosen to malign and vilify those who provide the energy to power our lives and the fuel to transport literally everything, everywhere, I can’t help but wonder what his minions understand about the seedy underbelly of the green energy movement.
    Do they understand what it will take from the earths resources to build the batteries, inverters, chargers, and solar panels on the scale needed “to transition from the oil industry” if that’s even possible? How do you build battery cases and solar panels without oil? How do you get plastic materials for electric cars without oil?
    Home charging? Great for some. Short commute? Great also. Might be great for a DC political operative or anyone else who can afford it.
    California is ground zero for green energy groupthink. California also leads the nation in population and poverty. There are millions of poor working class people living in apartments. Many live in overcrowded conditions and literally hundreds of thousands of cars (probably millions actually) are parked on the streets at night. When they transition to their $75,000 electric cars how will they charge them?
    And do green energy voters understand the movement is about money and profit just like oil and gas? You know the politicians pushing it sure do. Including the sock puppet in the White House.
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    They recommend:

    120V, 40A
    240v, 60A
    480v, 200A

    Rapid charging will kill the batteries fast if used regularly.
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    Tesla says 250 kw max rate for fast charge. Most residential would not have enough capacity. Tesla also said electric is cheaper than gas. lol
    They did not show any figures to support that. The cost to upgrade house amperage plus the fast charge system would be a substantial investment.
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    200A leaves nothing for the house.
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    Not a problem at only $13k to $20k to replace battery....
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    They are rather reserved in considering home installation of the 3 phase "Supercharger". They want you to stick with the single phase units, so the best path would be the 240v 60 amp system. You'll need to increase the service to your house by, say, 40%, increasing your main panel from 100-225 up to 175-300 amps. Gonna help your battery last longer with the slower charging as well.

    But tons of oil went into manufacturing that car, from the car itself to the mining and processing of materials. It's an absurd path on its face. Should have transitioned the logistical market to natural gas a long time ago. While I love the electric motor drive for its performance and efficiency, I'm not going to give up my gas tank to a government (or bad actors) that can shut down the grid at a moment's notice.

    But I think if I was building a boat, I'd design around electric motors and a series of power generators that could be scaled to provide house and propulsion power.
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    Replace? No, they just rebuild the one tha.......oops........never mind, they'll just recyc.....wait....yeah. You'll go buy another, and they'll shove the old one into a hazmat site.
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    Yeah, this whole EV transformation is deceptive at the very least. I have not even ridden in an electric car but think it might be a quite smooth experience but have no plans to give up our gas burners at this time. It is a pipe dream for many who think it will save the world. According to experts there is so much infrastructure upgrading to be done before any real advancement of EV's, not to mention mfg and distribution. Plus, they aren't cheap. This whole oil price thing belongs to Biden and doubt he will survive politically. He forgot nobody likes high gas prices and inflation. What were he and the Squad thinking???
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    There are a lot of voters who worship the green energy movement. It’s become the religion of the left. And they are hell bent on spreading the word. They will continue to support it even as energy shortages become more common and transportation costs cause inflation to spiral even more out of control. They are devout in their belief.

    Now, I think anyone or any company that wants to buy electric vehicles should buy them. Want solar on your property? Go for it.

    My problem is the government’s gun-to-the-head approach to force an irrational change to entire energy markets. A change that for all intents and purposes doesn’t even come close to meeting our needs. They believe if they pull back the hammer and count down from 10 the impossible will all of the sudden become possible. That’s not good enough for me.
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