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Very Sad Story on Lake Erie, Cleveland, OH

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  1. Carver440

    Carver440 New Member

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    From the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

    Two men, boy died from carbon monoxide poisoning in boating incident on Lake Erie, Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner rules

    Updated 2:34 PM; Today 2:13 PM
    By Kaylee Remington, cleveland.com

    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Two men and a boy died from carbon monoxide poisoning aboard a boat on Lake Erie Wednesday evening, the Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner said.

    Frank A. Opaskar, 76, of Avon Lake, Christopher Kedas, 45, of Huron, and Owen Kedas, 11, of Huron, died aboard the boat found circling near the Cleveland crib water intake off the shore of downtown Cleveland. Coast Guard officials arrived about 6 p.m. and entered the boat by breaking out a window.

    They discovered the three passengers unresponsive and a carbon monoxide detector sounding as they entered the boat. The medical examiner’s office determined their deaths were an accident and suspected no foul play.

    The Coast Guard towed the boat back to U.S. Coast Guard Station Cleveland Harbor on East 9th Street near North Marginal Road. Paramedics arrived to treat the three passengers.

    Opaskar and Kedas were pronounced dead at the scene. Owen died at MetroHealth.

    Carbon monoxide poisoning on boats comprises a small number of annual boat-related deaths, according to the most recent data from the Coast Guard. In 2019, it affected 31 people aboard boats, and of those people, five of them died from carbon monoxide poisoning.

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says that gas-powered boats and larger vessels with generators pose a potential carbon monoxide threat to passengers if not carefully vented.

    If the generator on larger boats vents toward the back of the boat, it poses a risk to people on the rear swim deck or water platform. The gas can build up above the water near the water platform.

    When carbon monoxide builds up in the space beneath the stern deck, it can kill someone in seconds. Traveling at slow speeds or idling in the water can cause a carbon monoxide buildup in the boat’s cabin. The Coast Guard said that one thing that makes carbon monoxide difficult to detect is that its symptoms mimic those attributed to seasickness or alcohol intoxication.

    The CDC recommends a handful of precautions to help prevent a carbon monoxide buildup on your vessel:

    • Properly install and maintain all fuel-burning engines and appliances.
    • Educate all passengers about the signs and symptoms of CO poisoning.
    • Swim and play away from areas where engines vent their exhaust.
    • Watch children closely when they play on rear swim decks or water platforms.
    • Never block exhaust outlets. Blocking outlets can cause CO to build up in the cabin and cockpit areas–even when hatches, windows, portholes, and doors are closed.
    • Dock, beach, or anchor at least 20 feet away from the nearest boat that is running a generator or engine. Exhaust from a nearby vessel can send CO into the cabin and cockpit of a boat.
  2. olderboater

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    This has long been a problem on houseboats with gas generators. As a result, on the big houseboating lakes, the word was spread and most have detectors and have set up their systems better.
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    CG reported a CO alarm sounding as they entered the boat....... WTH?
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    Who knows... you can’t trust any press report these days anyway. The “reporter” even failed to mention what kind of boat it was. I don’t really understand how first responders had to break into a window even though the boat was running. Who drives the boat inside with the doors and hatches locked???

    I guess they didn’t “enter the boat” by breaking a window but broke a window to vent the gas

    journalism is dead
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  5. RER

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    From the local TV news...

    Opaskar's family said Thursday that the 76 year-old was in the process of trading-in the 33 foot Chris-Craft boat and that it was heading from Eastlake to the boat dealership when the incident occurred.
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    Station wagon effect? Still doesn’t explain why the detector didn’t go off early. Maybe it was too old. These things need to be replaced.

    i just ordered a bunch of them for the 116 I took over since the previous captain removed most of them. But left the brackets on... even though diesel doesn’t emit much CO, you never know if a nearby gasser may not start his genny in the middle of the night
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    Scary stuff. The other adult victim was the salesman handling the transaction. Perhaps the CO detector didn't sound off until after they were incapacitated. Hate to think otherwise.
  8. Oscarvan

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    Incomplete combustion is incomplete combustion, fuel no matter..... Yes a proper running diesel "only" emits 2-12% CO, but with improper ventilation and an exhaust leak that can be deadly. 10% is 100,000 ppm...... 150 ppm is considered deadly. Make the thing run poorly with inadequate air supply and all betts are off.
  9. Capt Ralph

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    Incomplete story. Reads like a Darwin tale.
    Where is a whole report?
  10. Carver440

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    No report yet, it will probably be a long time until the coast guard releases the cause. Local news reports show a Chris Craft express cruiser with side window broken out above throttle. Eisenglass panels were in place above the side windows and Bimini top extended all the way to the stern. Did not see evidence of eisenglass panels being installed anywhere on the extended Bimini. Personal observations only.
    I agree that news reporting needs to be better and contain more relevant info.
  11. Adopo

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    When carbon monoxide builds up in the space beneath the stern deck, it can kill someone in seconds.

    Is this true? Seconds? Seems I remember the basics is it prevents o2 from getting to the cells. But seconds? Just found this basic explanation.


    To explain this aspect, we need to explain how the body uses oxygen from the air. Oxygen is transported around the body via the red blood cells. Specifically, oxygen binds to a substance within the red blood cells called haemoglobin, which is also responsible for their red colour.

    Haemoglobin takes up oxygen as blood passes through the lungs, and at the same time carbon dioxide, produced by the body’s metabolism, is released from the blood into the exhaled breath. The combination of oxygen with haemoglobin is called oxyhaemoglobin and this ‘oxygenated’ blood is carried away from the lungs through the bloodstream to all the tissues of the body.

    Carbon monoxide can also bind to haemoglobin but does so about 240 times more tightly than oxygen, forming a compound called carboxyhaemoglobin. This means that if both carbon monoxide and oxygen are inhaled, carbon monoxide will preferentially bind to haemoglobin. This reduces the amount of haemoglobin available to bind to oxygen, so the body and tissues become starved of oxygen.

    Carboxyhaemoglobin also has direct effects on the blood vessels of the body – causing them to become ‘leaky’. This is seen especially in the brain, causing the brain to swell, leading to unconsciousness and neurological damage.
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    Seconds? 10, 30 , 90 Seconds? Or should the author should of typed in "a few minutes" for the clock watchers out there.
    I must have missed your point?

    There was still 2 dead Darwin candidates and a dead young boy doing laps in a gas boat that died from CO poisoning..