2016 Sea Ray L590 vs 2016 CRANCHI 60 vs 2017 Schaefer 64

I can only address one of the three. First, keep in mind I owned 3 Sea Rays when younger and was great friends with a former owner of a Sea Ray dealership. In fact, through that friendship, I actually got to sample both L650 and L590. I considered purchasing a 650 until finding out their history of issues. I never considered or would have considered a 590.

In my opinion, the 590 is the most bastardized, idiotically designed and built, Sea Rays ever. Because of Zeus's limitations you have triple Zeus installations in it. On top of that you have the myriad issues Sea Ray had on the L Series with most having extremely long punch lists from finish issues, cabinetry, etc. to forcing electronics that weren't ready. Perhaps most of those have been addressed today on a 2016 but only if the owners were persistent. The boats I know that ultimately were fixed well, went around the dealer (MarineMax) and ended up at Sea Ray's facility.

Performance at cruise is decent but acceleration is very poor. The boat is also loud for some unexplained reasons, but it's 79 decibels at cruise and 81 at WOT. This is with 593 hp Cummins engines.

The interior has a lot of interesting gadgetry such as slide out wine and plate storage but in cabinets given to issues. The main deck feels ok but the lower deck with the three cabins feels more crowded than it should. All three cabins suffer but I'll just discuss the master. First the bath. The toilet is inches from the shower which is an oddly configured and corner packed unit. The sink is against the shower wall. There is another arrangement that seems little better. Then comes the big reveal. The bed is angled. Why? To create a huge space for an L shaped sofa. To get not just a sofa, but an L shaped with a large opening in front of it, you sacrifice everything else-closet, bath, shower, size of other rooms. Someone declared that sofa to be the most important feature of the boat, apparently.

Understand too that the builder of the Sea Ray is "out of business." Sounds strange since we know Sea Ray is still in business. But the L Series set up is long gone so while Sea Ray isn't a discontinued brand, Sea Ray L Series most definitely is.

Now, perhaps is one surveys fine and you like the layout, then fine. For me, just too many negatives.

I haven't looked closely at the Schaeffer line so I can't comment, but based on boarding a few Brazilian built boats such as Tarrab & Inace, I would consider other options.

So, think to yourself, why are the others cheaper? I'm going to tell you something I learned long ago in business. The Market is smarter than most people think. The Buyers figure out value. If the market for a 2014 Sunseeker is equal to or greater than the boats you mentioned, then there's a reason for that. Also, with you wanting to resell, that same market opinion will be in play in three to four years. You look at two boats where one has higher value today, it's likely to have higher value in three years too.

Don't think you're going to be the one to discover a boat that is undervalued by the market but equal in quality and performance to the others. You're not going to be smarter than everyone else.

When I started years ago, I learned this. Our merchandisers would take a large group of very similar items and sell them for the same price. Now picture, the margins were perhaps 40%-46%. They then projected margins for the season would be 43%. They would come in around 41.5% because the low margin items, those with higher costs but at the same selling price, would outsell the others. It was amazing how well the consumers figured it out. The consumer has figured out the Sunseekers you mention are worth more than the three boats you mentioned earlier. So if you buy one of the others, don't think three or four years from now it will be close in market value to the Sunseeker. It just won't be.

The Sunseeker by FAR is a much better built boat and much better sea boat than all 3 and by far will hold resale much better. You want best resale, go for a 2009-2014 Hatteras 60' MY, you can get in one at current prices and get out of it in 3-4 years for the same price you paid. In 2009, a new 60' MY sold for $1.9 million, what does a 2009 sell for today? It's the best quality motor yacht in your size range, bar none.

Or, do you want some off brand boat that nobody wants, nobody will buy, no factory support, and performs horribly but buy it because it's cheap??? I ran a 59' L just the other day, it's the 13th one I've run as I used to run yachts FOR Sea Ray.....I wouldn't touch one of those.......3 pods, horrible performance 21-22 knots.....boat is too heavy for the hull and FB feels like it's going to roll over when you make a hard turn at idle speed in calm water, drinks a lot of fuel......interior is like a dungeon with black everywhere, uggghhh. Cranchi's are junk, and nothing out of Brazil that i've seen was built worth a darn.

The Sunseeker is by far a much better built boat than the 59' Searay, 60' Cranchi and Schaeffer 64'. Sunseekers are a great sea boat (for a planing MY) and perform very well. They're built well without any structural issues on any of the models throughout the years. They are NOT a Hatteras by any means as far as quality goes, good but not great. They don't have the best gelcoat (it shines very well but has a tendancy to develop hairline cracks here and there). They suffer from the typical Euro thin teak decks that only last 7 years or so. Everything is generally well accessible on them for maintenance. They generally use good equipment throughout the build. Of ALL of the models the OP has mentioned being interested in, only the 64' Hatteras and possibly the Fleming are a better built boat than the Sunseeker.

You keep toting Azimut. I know of several very late model 60'-70' Azimuts with cracked fuel tanks (unheard of with any other builder), a few with hull delamination. Water leaks from the salon overhead into the salon is very common. A friend of mine ran a 2017 66' and had 3 different water leaks into the salon level of the yacht at the same time from 3 different places! The headliners fall down in 3-5' seas all over the place inside the boat. The wall coverings don't last as they're fabric glued to foam. Most models pound in a very moderate sea. And, their electrical is pure garbage. The dealer representation in the U.S. is very poor, and for the amount of boats they have over here, one would THINK they'd stock some of the more popular parts in the U.S., but they don't. The problem with Azimut, is they never fix their problem areas. How hard is it to secure the ceiling panels better? What would that really cost in each build, $100??? These are the reasons I never promote them.

Mapism, I really respect your knowledge and have learned a lot from you. But with all due respect, I run 150 different yachts a year and usually do 15,000 NM's each and every year of deliveries on all different yachts. I've run, in the ocean, a lot of models, from most of the builders. Ride and quality are most important. Doesn't matter how good the layout is, if ceiling panels are falling on your head in the ocean and the boat beats you to death getting there (for example).