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  1. Capt Ralph, Oct 1, 2020
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  2. Capt Ralph, Oct 7, 2020
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  3. Oscarvan, Oct 7, 2020
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    Milk that baby....
  4. yr2030, Oct 22, 2020
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    The only challenges they really face is getting the vehicles off the vessel first, sucking up the remaining fuel and either righting it or towing it out.

    Either that or make it into a resort destination - come to Brunswick and view a half sunk ro-ro carrier on it's side that bureaocracy can't fix.
  5. Capt Ralph, Oct 22, 2020
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    They screwed that pooch long ago and let her roll over the rest of the way.
    Now they are cutting her up, lifting and barging large sections and capturing the cars as they fall out.
    I am feared this will turn into a nightmare and disaster with the plans and leadership in place now.
  6. Oscarvan, Oct 22, 2020
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    Don't think so. The vehicles are all in a pile on the lower side and not rolling around on their wheels in any way shape or form. so they would have to cut holes in the high side on every deck over the entire length and crane them out. This in turn would weaken the structure to the point of failure.
  7. Capt J, Oct 22, 2020
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    I think it could be done. Cut plate and crane it off of one level, pull out cars with a magnet like they do at the scrap yard, weld the side back on, go up to the next level and on and on.
  8. NYCAP123, Oct 23, 2020
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    How are you going to teach that magnet the difference between cars and the hull and decks? As long as this has taken and as little as has been done I suspect there's a lot of balking about paying up for the recovery. Probably cheaper to pay fines than do the job,
  9. yr2030, Oct 23, 2020
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    ]]Those are power magnets. They turn off the juice to place the rig onto a particular vehicle or section then repower to lift. At least that's what they do in Bangladesh.
  10. Capt Ralph, Oct 23, 2020
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    Another big time delay.
    The BFB10000 will be in place to start cutting when the weather calms (who knows when).
    Their plan is to pick most of it up now in a big slice, trawl for the junk that falls out.

    1000 years from now when the water goes back to the N&S poles, this areas mud will dry and release pristine auto parts from 2020.
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    I know how they operate. I also know their size and weight. Fine for picking up cars in a junkyard where you might just grab an extra bumper, but in an all metal structure filled with cars mangled together it's a little more difficult. Chains, cranes and cutting torches are more likely.
  12. Capt Ralph, Oct 28, 2020
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  13. Oscarvan, Oct 28, 2020
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    That's a serious piece of equipment! Well, maybe they'll get this thing cleaned up after all.
  14. Capt Ralph, Oct 28, 2020
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    Maybe.

    I'm still concerned with the new messes they will leave behind.
    They need to shackle the pilot/crew and make them walk the beach with clean up bags for the next 10 years.
  15. Capt J, Oct 28, 2020
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    I don’t think it’s the pilot at all, doubt he has any blame. I would blame the engineer who didn’t ballast the boat properly, and possibly the cr w who didn’t lash the cargo properly. It’s a stability issue, not a helm issue.
  16. Oscarvan, Oct 28, 2020
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    Yep. However at the end of the day it comes down on the Captain's shoulders. No, it's not the pilot. All that's on him is the delegated navigation authority while he's on board. Putting it on the bank was actually a very good move, or that thing would have (still) been sitting in the middle of the channel in deeper water doing untold economic damage.
  17. Capt Ralph, Oct 28, 2020
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    Naw,
    The port/bar pilot cut close to an inbound ship, the water pressures against the hulls and the shoal/narrow channel caused both ships to react with each other causing a good wiggle in the ship.
    Nobody is really sure if this is when the cargo shifted or when the pilot put her aground or rode her aground from lost rudder control (from the reactions of passing in a narrow channel).

    Also, nobody is for sure when the first fire broke out;
    This story has been changed many times, including by the pilot;
    Before the head to head , port to port pass, during or after the pass on upon first grounding and sudden de-acceleration or the first list.

    This whole story is a money maker after a sham and cover up.
    I doubt the NTSB will ever come up with the real story.
  18. Capt Ralph, Oct 28, 2020
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    That's the Pilots Association's story again. NOT necessarily the truth.
    Do you think that thought actually came to the pilot's mind while going thru a sphincter pucker attack?

    Remember, this all happened in just minutes as the two ships were close enough to check out each others de-deodorant brands.
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  20. Capt J, Nov 9, 2020
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