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Inflatable life raft on sport fish

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Alzira II, Sep 27, 2020.

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  1. Alzira II

    Alzira II Member

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    My new to me 50 foot post is not currently equipped with a current liferaft. I was hoping to gauge some of your all‘s opinions of the best solution for me. I have a family of five and will generally cruise with just them maybe another guest. We will spend most of our time on the East Coast and hope to do Bahamas one day. Does anyone have a specific model that they recommend? Also would it be safer to have it in a case with a hydrostatic release? If so what is the best placement? In aviation we run through several different types of scenarios so you know exactly when you would perform certain functions. On the boat I would be interested to have a conversation and what type of situations would lead me to ever want the liferaft and if so it’s placement could become quite important. I guess placement on the bow would be harder to get to in extremely bad weather but then again I’m probably not going to be running for the liferaft unless The Boat is actually going down. There is the consideration though of two things going wrong at once fire and bad weather for example. Again, in aviation it’s not generally one thing that brings down a plane it’s a series of normally three things that lead to the dire situation. I go here I guess is to role-play different scenarios and decipher which ones are the most plausible and come to some sort of an understanding about where I should store the inflatable. Thanks again for everyone’s comments and experience. I do have a jump bag dry bag with a PLB along with some bottled water knife and normal emergency items. I also just purchased a new EPIRB to be mounted on the boat with a hydrostatic release.
  2. NYCAP123

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    I've generally seen them on the forward deck or the roof of the bridge. But let me ask if you wouldn't be better off with something that could do double-duty like a dink. From what you write I don't see you needing to wait days for a rescue. I can see you having a desire to drop the hook and dink into shore, and then in the unlikely event that you do have to abandon ship one day you'll have your escape vessel right there without the expense for something you'll hopefully never use.
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    I'm in agreement, your avatar shoes a decent size dink on the bow.
    Just make sure your tie downs are quick release and you're good to go.
    Carry a hand held VHF with Lithium battery in your ditch bag
  4. Alzira II

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    Thanks for the input guys. The tender is an option. I just assumed that in a situation bad enough to jump ship it would be a fire, weather extremely bad, or catastrophic water ingress that my engine intakes cant keep up with. Or a combination of 2 of those. on a plane during fire my rule of thumb is get the plane on the ground NOW. So for example on the boat if there was an uncontrollable fire or while I was trying to fight it I would get the wife to load the kids and get off. The tender would require quit a bit more time to offload and require my input. In a weather situation I guess I would ride the boat out till the bitter end and would only bail if we began sinking for some weird reason. in that instance we would have a real hard time getting to the bow. Maybe I am overthinking this.

    I actually do need to add a VHF to the jump bag thanks for the reminder.
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    You're talking about an expensive item, that has to be serviced every year to 3 years, that almost assuredly will never be used. Odds are that if you must get off you're going to put on your PFD and step off into those warm Florida waters where one of the 100 nearby boats will pick you up.
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    Speaking of doing double duty, not sure I'd put a handheld VHF in the go bag. Odds are if you need it the battery will be drained. Better to keep it in a specific place where it'll stay charged and can be readily grabbed when you grab the go bag. In the mean time you'll use it with your dink, etc. Now an emergency locator beacon might not be bad thoughhttps://www.westmarine.com/buy/acr-...personal-locator-beacon--19496165?recordNum=1.
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    That's why you need the new lithium ion batteries that come with the decent radio's. My ICOM has lithium and I charge it every other year, whether it needs it or not. And I can't remember the last time it was run down.
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    Get a soft 6 man life raft. It will fit almost anywhere and can be deployed quickly. I keep mine in the brow(60 ft sf). NO TENDER. A tender bow mounted will not be there in rough weather and will be vary hard to launch safely. I rescued 6 people from the water east of marsh harbor about 10 yrs ago. 90 ft vessel fully engulfed in fire in under 10 minutes. Owner got his wallet, captain got a vhf. That's it. Didn't have time to launch tender or hard mount raft before fire burned them. Good crew and experienced owners. I learned alot from that experience and totally changed ditch bag location and contents. Will never forget look on owner's wife's face when we pulled her aboard. She was asleep in master stateroom 10 minutes prior and now was looking back at her 90' yacht fully engulfed in fire. Keep your raft and ditch bag very accessible and get them on deck at first sign of trouble NOT after you've lost the fight with the fire.
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    REALLY good input thank you. I started searching today once I posted this and there is some small probably not bluewater rated rafts but portable enough I could easily stow and throw in a moments notice in case of fire. I feel like this would almost be more useful that a hydrostatic case on the bow. a 6 person can be had for about 1400 retail. I am aware there must be some circumstances the case would be more idea. I always think about a blown exhaust system which rapidly pumps water into boat quicker than you realize the source of the issue.
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    First, if Fire is your concern, I'd make sure your automatic fire system is inspected and automatic shutdowns tested annually as required by USCG. Generally if you're underway and have a fire 9 times out of 10, it will be from the engine room. So right inside the salon door (which is where I carry a soft sided raft when doing a trip) probably wouldn't be accessible, because the salon floor will have melted and flames/heat/smoke belching out of the engine room door. Sinking is more common than fire. The Hardtop is the most common mounting location on a SF, but hard to deploy manually if you want to launch it early, but one could do it, or just relying on the hydrostatic release, BUT it has to go underwater quite a ways before releasing. But at least if the boat rolled over, it'd deploy. I prefer to tie off the painter and launch it early if there's any indication that it really looks like we're sinking or on fire. A 6 man raft is VERY small for 5-6 adults to fit into, but I sure as heck would rather be in one than the tender if it's super rough. The idea of the tender is to cut the lashings and if the boat sinks, the tender will float off of it. Revere makes a good raft with a 3 year recertification (a lot of rafts are every year), I'd definately want an offshore raft.

    I highly recommend you take a STCW class from MPT or other school. Because prevention of flooding or fire is by far, your best prevention and with a fire, the first 60 seconds are absolutely critical.
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    From your experience what % of owners do that?
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    there is some good sound advice on this thread.

    I like the idea of something accessible that you can easily store and self deploy.

    I have a Post with a hard case hydrostatic release mounted on the bow forward of the house.
    I also have a soft bottom inflatable mounted on the boat.
  13. Alzira II

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    I just had mine done. It had not been done in many years.
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    Nowadays a lot more than in the past. About half of the yachts I manage require an insurance survey every 3 years. But most of the owners of the yachts I manage, do them annually.