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Sportfish bow explodes; too much flare?

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  1. 993RSR, Jun 10, 2020
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    Carolina boat heading back into Morehead inlet came off a wave and lifted the deck. Lots of bow damage. Video and hauled photo on Instagram by carolinaoffshore
  2. Capt Ralph, Jun 10, 2020
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    No such thing as to much bow flair. However; There is poor mfg qualities.

    Big and little, that flair is what makes the boat push thru rather than rise and pound. Some of the ole Vega 20s proved this. For a 20 footer, never slowed down for tug boat wake. Slice thru, the for deck and wave would be the same level and offer a funny feeling, faith in the hull and never worry about it again.
    The larger N Carolina boats will slice and push the rest of the water out. I can imagine a cap not secured down well or an outer skin coming up (F E B?) and ripping the cap off.
    Rest assured, this is not the norm.

    Not a subscriber to any of the social junk. I can not view it when passwords are required.
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  3. Capt J, Jun 10, 2020
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    Everyone makes a big deal out of "Carolina Sportfish" but the reason they're all lumped into that group instead of a manufacturer or two, is because everyone and their brother in Wanchese build a "Carolina Sportfish" IN THEIR BACKYARD with much varying levels of quality and building techniques. Has nothing to do with the bow flair, and everything to do with that particular build. Don't confuse these boats with the great Carolina builders such as Bayliss, Jarrett Bay, Hatteras yachts (I know production builder and not a Carolina Flair), and a handful of others that are serious professional builders.
  4. Capt Ralph, Jun 10, 2020
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    Yep..
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    Any video or pictures on the web and not on Social Traps?
  6. Fishtigua, Jun 11, 2020
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    If it can cast a shadow on itself, that's a proper deck.
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  7. 993RSR, Jun 11, 2020
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    The seas were ugly heading back. Big Rock Tournament.
    Likely significant deterioration under the skin to cause all that damage.
  8. Trinimax, Jun 11, 2020
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    Here are some pics of the damage. The first pic is of the boat running after stuffing the bow.

    I posted these from my phone, my apologies for if the file size is too large

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  9. bayoubud, Jun 11, 2020
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    Backyard construction...
  10. chesapeake46, Jun 11, 2020
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  11. rtrafford, Jun 11, 2020
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    can see hints of darkness in the plywood coring near the rub rail area of the deck. Just have to wonder about the conditions up near the pulpit where the leverage for the wave existed. Rot? Certainly weakening was there as well as along the cap rail in that area. That pulpit can really take a beating in big sea. Not an item to overbuild in and of itself and then not thoughtfully tie into the vessel structure.
  12. 993RSR, Jun 11, 2020
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    There was some discussion of it hitting a sand bar on other sites. Need some more facts to get a clear picture of the circumstances.
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    Seeing that the bottom below the waterline has no damage, this doesn’t seem likely. I assume their is some rot from moisture in the fwd rope locker
  15. 993RSR, Jun 11, 2020
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    Please we stopped using the term "rot" in the mid 80's. We now say significant deterioration of the laminates causing failure.
    The video of that boat entering the inlet (appearing to be wind against tide) documented the fall of the bow into a sea and the anchor platform releasing. As the bow came up you can clearly see the topsides peeling away.
    Insurance will not cover that type of failure with most policies but probably not a big expense anyway.
  16. rtrafford, Jun 11, 2020
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    • Yeah, why use a three letter word when a sentence is available?
    • Topside don't just peel away without failure of lamination or hardware. Moisture (rot) in the wood coring creates that ability to both move as well as release. Clearly the pulpit was the leverage tool for this.
    • Painting a boat is always expensive.
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    Because “significant deterioration of the laminates causing failure” sounds much more impressive.
  18. 993RSR, Jun 11, 2020
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    Actually I borrowed that off of a Trumpy survey. The boat had lots of soft wood and the surveyor filled the report with "deterioration".
    Another survey language favorite is "evidence of excessive heat beyond the design...", I call that fire damage.
  19. Trinimax, Jun 11, 2020
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    Ah yes, as a surveyor, I have seen some of my colleagues in the industry write lovely essays. I have always preferred to go straight to the point haha !
  20. 993RSR, Jun 11, 2020
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    As a broker deterioration and excessive heat sounds better than rot and fire
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