Click for Northern Lights Click for Abeking Click for Mulder Click for YF Listing Service Click for Walker

Insurance / lightning strike

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Trade57, Jul 24, 2019.

You need to be registered and signed in to view this content.
  1. Trade57

    Trade57 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    5
    Location:
    34145
    We had a lightning strike over the weekend. Should I hire a surveyor independent of the one hired by the insurance co?
    Thoughts? Thanks
  2. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,440
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    Here you have to reason the amount of the claim and vessel value.
    You have a million dolor yacht, of course yes.
    $30k Hunter, Maybe. $10k day sailor, probably not & looking for a total.

    Can you expand on what all you think is damaged and what ship model you have?
  3. Trade57

    Trade57 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    5
    Location:
    34145
    Engine controll, throttle control, all nav electronics including radar and autopilot. Many smaller item are also inop, 2006 53 convertible with 2015 electronics.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2019
  4. Trade57

    Trade57 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    5
    Location:
    34145
    I think the damage could be as high as 25%-30%. The haul value is around 650k. The deductible is 12k.

    Any experience with Boat US?
  5. gr8trn

    gr8trn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2012
    Messages:
    780
    Location:
    OR/CA
    Agreed hull value?
    As to surveyor, I would be tempted to find an independent survey just in case things don't go as they should. $12K deductible may be enough to justify the price of a survey anyway.
  6. Trade57

    Trade57 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    5
    Location:
    34145
    650k
  7. gr8trn

    gr8trn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2012
    Messages:
    780
    Location:
    OR/CA
    Roger that. I was under the impression that hull value and agreed hull value can be different animals, hence the question about Agreed.
  8. olderboater

    olderboater Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2013
    Messages:
    7,130
    Location:
    Fort Lauderdale
    The huge question isn't just on whether hull value is agreed or market but whether parts are depreciated or not. You better know your policy details. Plus was the value updated for the newer electronics and is there a limit on electronics. This is a very complicated case.

    Yes, you need your own surveyor on a claim this large.

    Also, in settlement, you must be sure the final amount is left open for other damage to be found in the process of repairs. There is no way to know all the damage up front and additional damage will nearly always be found in a lightning strike as large as yours.
  9. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,530
    Location:
    Fort Lauderdale
    What isn't broken now and electronic, will be within a year. Plan on replacing all electrical devices and checking the wiring really well throughout the entire boat. I would see what the insurance surveyor comes up with, see where they stand. Then if it sounds unreasonable, hire your own surveyor (although this would still be a very good idea).
  10. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,440
    Location:
    Satsuma, FL
    OB was on it, study your policy and get your own surveyor familiar with lightning damage.

    We had one customer where the batteries, chargers and alternators failed within a couple of weeks.
    Don't think there was any electrical or electronic item that was not effected.
    If your engines were using the old SmartCrap controls and displays, your summer just got blown away.
    Took about a year before all claims were settled. This customer did not get their own surveyor, lots of good vendors involved. Knowledgeable owner. The insurance company & their surveyor was cool.
    Get an out of water inspection ASAP. Every thru hull needs to be looked over. Your zincs are probably mush.
  11. rtrafford

    rtrafford Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2019
    Messages:
    1,732
    Location:
    Vero Beach
    My 53c was hit by an indirect lightening strike many years ago. I did not hire a surveyor. The insurance company sent someone aboard, and I took the boat to the yard and just kept updating the adjuster with invoices of work performed, updated her with new diagnoses as they were determined. Had to replace the Cobalt control system, Cat ECM's, every sensor on each engine, every injector (each has a microchip), the Cat displays, all electronics, all TV equipment, hauled her for inspection of any underwater damages, scarring, etc. Wards came aboard and renovated the distribution system. It was a 6 figure claim, and many items such as the LED lighting did not fail until shortly after the work was completed. I submitted a supplemental package of invoices late in the process.
  12. rtrafford

    rtrafford Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2019
    Messages:
    1,732
    Location:
    Vero Beach

    This. Times two. Pantropic determined they only needed to replace one of the injectors as the rest tested fine on the Cats. After the claim I ran the boat from Ft Lauderdale to Canaveral, and upon arrival I had no displays and no power. Ring came to the boat and replaced the remaining injectors and the displays. Mine was not a direct strike, but rather residual charge through the water from a tree that was struck 100 yards away. That voltage does terrible things to electronics.

    Know your insurance policy detail as if everything depends on it, because it does. Electronics may be limited in terms of "updating", but your policy should at least replace in kind up to a certain dollar amount. You can make your own decision as to your choice of upgrades, but the in kind replacement should still be funded as if you did replace in kind. You won't receive push back on that in the end, but you may have to spell it out for your adjuster.

    Stick with the insurance surveyor. Point out everything that has electrical components. As has been said here by others, and in the post I quoted here, just because it's working today doesn't mean it will tomorrow. In the case of, say, a water heater that uses heavy electronic components, there's a reasonable chance that will be fine (mine was), but anything with small or micro components is going to fail. Miracle if it doesn't. But it will fail when you need it most. Murphy.
  13. rtrafford

    rtrafford Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2019
    Messages:
    1,732
    Location:
    Vero Beach
    If your strike was a direct hit you should be on dry dock already. Every hull penetration needs to be reviewed thoroughly as do the cutlass bearings, shaft seals, rudder boxes.........
  14. Trade57

    Trade57 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    5
    Location:
    34145
    Thanks everyone for your insight.