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  1. Ocean Venturer

    Ocean Venturer New Member

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    Hi
    Having trouble with some headlinning sagging where the backing sponge has degraded and parting from the fibreglass where it had been glued.
    Does any one know of a glue, probably a spray that will secure it back. Have tried using carpet glue but it just doesnt hold for long.
    Cheers
  2. PropBet

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    3M 45 General Use Spray Adhesive or possibly 70, but you really need to use caution with 70 as it's a "hot" glue and can melt some foams due to the chemical reaction it has with them. Can be found most anywhere.

    K-Grip is another good product. Found in specialty stores, upholstery stores, etc.

    Performance High Temp would probably be my first choice.
    http://www.yourautotrim.com/perhittrimad.html

    If it continues to sag / fall, then I'd look at replacing the foam. However that's usually a larger task than "spray and stick".
  3. Ocean Venturer

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    Hi
    I agree but it is only small but really annoying areas, and it is stitched around various corners ... dont want to face that cost this year...
    looking for a glue compound that would soak in to the old degraded foam and act as new glue. So I dont have to pull it all down. That prospect is a nightmare.
  4. Kiwipushrod

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    Hi Venturer, Once the foam gets brittle theres no way out......Except outer support, how about thin strips of the same wood of surrounding trim? Plan C is thumbtacks:D

    Any adhesive You use in quanity, will simply attack the petrolleum based headliner itself.

    Any pics? Kiwi
  5. PropBet

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    You can try a spray adhesive, but you may be fighting an uphill battle.
  6. Fireman431

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    As a 20 year upholsterer, I have done my share of auto and marine headliners. I can tell you...for a fact...that there is nothing you can apply that will repair your headliner. If you want to wait until the off-season to do the repair properly, the use whatever method you can for now to tie you over.

    Call a local upholstery shop and they can make you small (#22) buttons of a matcning material that have small nails in them. Get 20 or so and place them uniformly in the cabin headliner as a decoration. This will (for the time being) keep you from looking at the sagging portion.

    If you decide to tackle the problem your self later, send me a personl message and I can get you links for the supply house so at least you will get a break on the material costs.
  7. Ocean Venturer

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    Thanks,
    The other idea I had was to cut some thin ply 2-3mm to the size of the horizontal ceiling section, cover this with new but matching coplour headlining. Then screw this up over the top of old stuff. This would then hold tight the stiched sections that hang verticaly and you would hardly notice repair.

    I really would have thought one of the manufacturers of glues would have come up with something to combat the degrading backing foam, hey ho!!
  8. Henning

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    You're going to have to end up replacing it all or you'll just keep having problems as the foam degradation continues to spread. It's the sad reality of glued on foam backed liners. Depending on the type of foam and glue, the conditions the boat sees and is stored in, it'll last between 5 and 20 years, but once it starts failing apart, there's nothing to really do except bite the bullet and replace it or do some repair that will give you the result of a tufted interior.
  9. Ocean Venturer

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    update

    Well I managed to repair it. Not as good as new but not bad.
    Using a wood chisel I scrapped all the old glue and stuck foam from the GRP Hull and Plywood bulkhead.
    Then using the side of the chisel blade scrapped the old foam from the vinyl.
    Then on the really flat surfaces (vertical) used PVA to stick it back that worked really well just left overnight to cure.
    The hard bit was the overheads, for that I used small beads of Sykaflex and an unused small paint roller (the sort for painting behind radiators) and it stuck right away.
    Its a little bit bumpy but unless you really look you dont notice.
    And for the couple of sagging patches overhead where I couldn't peel back the Linning without damaging good area's, I got hold of, from my freindly Vet, some Syringes used to take blood form bulls, so needle is a couple of mm. I then mixed up some 2 part epoxy and injected it through the vinyl, gave it a good rollering and held in place with a full sailbag untill cured. It worked and stopped the sagging and you can not see the entry point at all.

    All of the above worked for me to just get it looking tidy again but I know at some time in the future the whole lot will need to be replaced :((
  10. Yves Lambert

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    I need to change all the headliners in my Hatteras 80. Any reference in Fort Lauderdale area?
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