Anchor Ball anybody?

Capt Cole · Apr 1, 2019

Norseman said: ↑

Another one..
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Oscarvan said: ↑

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Fast enough?
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Norseman: That incident certainly got my attention. During Summer months in my area, jet skis abound.
Oscarvan: Thank you for info. I just placed my order.

MedRascal · Apr 1, 2019

In the Mediterranean Sea, it is common to raise your anchor daytime signal also when you are dropping anchor while maneuvering inside a harbour, as this warns other vessels in the port about your limitations to moving given you have deployed the anchor.

This is particularly useful when yachts have two anchors, one on each side, and the chain is not visible from the opposite side.

bayoubud · Apr 1, 2019

One came with our boat, guess I better start using it before a somebody plows into us. Hey, what is that black ball on the bow of that boat over there...they're not moving should I steer around them...should I slow down, nah.
Norseman, thanks for the heads up.

Norseman · Apr 2, 2019

. Norseman, thanks for the heads up.
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Anytime.
Ironically my avatar shows my boat at anchor with no ball up.
Had a ball on the boat for some years, but never paid attention to it until recent boat crashes woke me up. Too many boaters (and jetskiers) with money and no brain running around, sooner or later they will get really close to my boat when I am at anchor minding my own business. Also a dash-cam permanently plugged in on my charter boat. www.odincharters.com

Norseman · May 29, 2019

Found this on another forum, now doing a copy and paste.
Interesting read about shifting responsibilities with or without anchor balls.
(No idea who wrote it originally, seems to be a court’s decision)

. burden shifting framework may be impacted
by one or both of two common law presumptions. First, the “Oregon
Rule” creates a rebuttable presumption of fault against a moving
vessel that, under its own power, allides with a stationary object.
The Oregon, 158 U.S. 186, 197 (1895). “This presumption of
negligence may be rebutted by showing, by a preponderance of the
evidence, either that the allision was the fault of the stationary
object, that the moving vessel acted with reasonable care, or that
the allision was an unavoidable accident.” Superior Const. Co. v.
Brock, 445 F.3d 1334, 1339-40 (11th Cir. 2006)(quoting Bunge Corp.
v. Freeport Marine Repair, 240 F.3d 919, 923 (11th Cir. 2001)); see
also Fischer v. S/Y NERAIDA, 508 F.3d 586, 593-94 (11th Cir. 2007).
“Vessels in motion are required to keep out of the way of a vessel
at anchor, if the latter is without fault, unless it appears that
the collision was the result of inevitable accident; the rule being
that the vessel in motion must exonerate herself from blame, by
showing that it was not in her power to prevent the collision by
adopting any practicable precautions.” The Virginia Ehrman, 97
U.S. 309, 315 (1877).
Second, the “Pennsylvania Rule” provides that when the
stationary vessel or object is in actual violation of a statutory
rule intended to prevent allisions, there is a presumption that the
stationary vessel or object was at least a contributory cause of
the event. Superior Const., 445 F.3d at 1340. “In such a case the
burden rests upon the [stationary] ship of showing not merely that
her fault might not have been one of the causes, or that it
probably was not, but that it could not have been.” Id. (citation
omitted.) The Pennsylvania Rule is not a rule of liability, but
shifts the burden of proof as to causation. Id. at 1344. While
the presumption is stringent, it is not insurmountable. Id.
The interplay of these two rules has been summarized by the
Eleventh Circuit as follows:
In cases where a stationary vessel violates a statute
intended to prevent allisions and a moving vessel allides
with that stationary vessel, . . . [t]he general rule is
that the presumption of fault for the allision lies
against the moving vessel [(i.e., Oregon Rule)]. This
burden of proof shifts, however, to the stationary vessel
when the stationary vessel is in violation of a statutory
rule intended to prevent accidents [(i.e., Pennsylvania
Rule)]. The stationary vessel then bears the burden of
proof in showing that its statutory violation could not
have been a contributory cause of the allision.
Id. at 1340 (quoting Sunderland Marine Mut. Ins. Co. v. Weeks
Marine Constr. Co. 338 F.3d 1276, 1279 (11th Cir. 2003)). “In
short, the burden of proof initially rests with the moving vessel
under the Oregon Rule. If the moving vessel can establish the
stationary vessel violated a statutory rule intended to prevent
allisions, however, then the Pennsylvania Rule shifts the burden to
the stationary vessel.” Id.
Finally, when both vessels involved in the allision are
operating in violation of statutes designed to prevent such
mishaps, the Pennsylvania rule requires “the district court to find
that the statutory fault of both vessels contributed to the
accident, unless it [finds] that the fault of either . . . could
not have been a cause of the [allision] [ ]. . . . In other words,
if each vessel successfully invokes the Pennsylvania Rule against
its opponent, then each vessel must overcome a presumption of fault
by showing its violation could not have been a cause of the
allision.” Id. (internal citations omitted). If neither vessel
can satisfy its burden under the Pennsylvania Rule, then the
district court must “determine the comparative fault of each vessel
and allocate liability for damages accordingly.” Id. at 1341.
The appropriate standard of care, as the parties stipulate
(Doc. #109, §X(2)), is reasonable care under the circumstances.
This standard of care is based upon general concepts of prudent
seamanship and reasonable care, statutory and regulatory rules, and
recognized customs and usages.
Reasonable care in this context is that of prudent men and women
familiar with the ways and vagaries of the sea.

The safety requirements for a vessel anchored in open water
are generally higher than a vessel moored to a permanent object.
Sunderland Marine, 338 F.3d at 1277-78. As the Supreme Court has
stated, “[w]here a vessel is at anchor in a proper place, and is
observant of the precaution required by law, it is not liable for
damages sustained by a vessel in motion colliding with it, but
where it anchors in an unlawful position, or fails to observe the
statutory requirements and such other precautions as good
seamanship would suggest, it must suffer the consequences attending
a violation of the law.” United States v. St. Louis & M.V. Transp.
Co., 184 U.S. 247, 255 (1902)(citation omitted).
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Beau · May 29, 2019

Norseman said: ↑

Found this on another forum, now doing a copy and paste.
Interesting read about shifting responsibilities with or without anchor balls.
(No idea who wrote it originally, seems to be a court’s decision)
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Indeed. I did some reading of my own and agree with all of you, better to be safe than sorry.

boatme99 · May 30, 2019

Capt Ralph said: ↑

I hope your guest didn't scare the Nurse Shark away. I Luv swimming with those genital giants.
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How do you know?

Capt Cole · May 30, 2019

Norseman said: ↑

Bingo

https://www.solomarine.com/product/clamp-on-flagstaff-burgee-mount-for-¾-1-tubing-520-511/
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I just received my Flagstaff mount last week. I needed one for a slightly larger rail and this outfit makes them. The quality of the product is excellent. I decided to use it as my permanent burgee mount and bought a cheap mount from WestMarine for the anchor ball. Screwed the anchor ball to the cheapo mount and put it in a locker. I can attach it in about 1 minute when needed.

All I need to do now is go anchor somewhere.

A captain · May 31, 2019

If that's your boat in your profile pic, the run the anchor ball between the two headsails on a line. Very easy.

Norseman · May 31, 2019

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If that's your boat in your profile pic, the run the anchor ball between the two headsails on a line. Very easy.
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Thx, good idea. (If you are responding to Norseman)
Unfortunately I sold the sweet little cutter 6 years ago, not an option to run the ball up between the foresails anymore.
Now I am running a stink potter and post Nr. 11 shows how I installed the black ball on the SP.

As far as the sailboat on my Avatar, she is back in Florida, the present owner even rented a dock from me for 2 months to fix her up and “go cruising”.
I am crying every day when am see what the last 2 owner’s did to the boat:
Complete neglect and stupid maintenance..Yeah, paint the cabin with no masking tape and big brushes, lights, equipment and varnish got a coat of paint because the operator was drunk..
Before picture:

Capt Ralph · May 31, 2019

I understand watching other owners boats pass on and get ugly after our services, time and attachment.
I am proud to say, my personal boats are still out there and looking great.
Yep, rubbing salt on ya.
But what are friends for, pass more salt..

Kind of a pet screening, my personal past boats sales were approved by Josie. If she didn't like them, they didn't get our ole boat.

Norseman · May 31, 2019

Capt Ralph said: ↑

I understand watching other owners boats pass on and get ugly after our services, time and attachment.
I am proud to say, my personal boats are still out there and looking great.
Yep, rubbing salt on ya.
But what are friends for, pass more salt..

Kind of a pet screening, my personal past boats sales were approved by Josie. If she didn't like them, they didn't get our ole boat.
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Yeah, rubbing salt, Thx bud...no thanks.
The guy I sold the boat to passed my inspection, AND he paid cash AND was within $1k of asking price.
Then another guy purchased my baby 3 years later, not sure who did what but anyway, a bit of thread creep here, not unusual the last few days..

Capt Ralph · May 31, 2019

Bless our ole boats and their souls.

Norseman · Jun 1, 2019

Capt Ralph said: ↑

Bless our ole boats and their souls.
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Indeed.
Occasionally looking for my first boat, a famous old Bill Tripp Jr. Bermuda racer named Katingo.
Did the St. Croix and St. Thomas liveaboard gig on her back in the ‘80’s and sailed quite a bit on days, no idea what I was doing, never sailed or owned a boat in my life, but had fun galore.
Sold her after 3 years and seen her around The St. Croix yacht Club the next 18-20 years when I was down there scuba diving, or on rum and fresh seafood vacations.
Then one day she was gone, the local’s was not sure where is ended up, but one dude said she sold, new owner sailed for the US via Bahamas and she sank somewhere in between. No details, just rumors of a wet grave..

Norseman · Jun 1, 2019

Norseman-Tarzan 32 years ago onboard Katingo, no anchor ball.

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