Not sure if this belongs on YachtForums or JetForums. Maybe we need a JechtForums. https://www.maritime-executive.com/...-into-river-at-naval-air-station-jacksonville
I've never even heard of Miami Air and live in Fort Lauderdale. Looks like they overshot the runway a little bit. But could have been much worse. Only minor injuries and in knee deep water.
Miami Air has been around for a while, the operation was started by a few Eastern scab pilots. They have managed to stay out of the news, until now, but has been know in the industry for low pilot pay and long hours. This landing was done on a wet runway with 1 thrust reverser inoperative and with a 15 knot tailwind, a bad combo.
Mmm...I heard 20 knot tailwind. I would guess the limiting tailwind for a 737 is 10 knots (having flown 757s, 707s and DC8s); more than that and you have exceeded the limitations of the aircraft. Also "heard" the landing speed around 200 (?) If you can believe it. The reverser is of no factor at all on landing and not even integrated into landing data, but tailwinds, slick ungrooved runways and rain...bad combo in any book.
For those that remember your old military days, in the back of a DC-4 or 707, the navy charters a lot of it's MAC flights out now days. Crew rotations and supplies are in/out NAS-JAX daily on chartered planes like this.
This. Add the fact that due to the rudder issues with associated accidents/incidents the NG's (New Generation, which is between the original and the Max) had 15 or so years ago (yeah, we all forgot about that one) the approach speeds are pretty **** high. I remember 160 plus plus "over the fence" being normal when heavy. So..... high approach speed, tailwind, wet runway, TR inop.... scumbag operation with "cream of the crop" aviators and.... there you have it.
The tree forest and buildings at the west end of the runway (Yukon FL) can be intimating. Unlike most approaches where this would normally be cleared out long before the runway. The pilot over shot his landing and ran out of runway. I don't have the spec but it is a very long runway.
The new navy P6 is a souped up 737. Must be 50 or more based at NAS-JAX. The ole Orion P3s and these newer ASW P6s crank up hours all day with race track patterns and touch & go drills. It has been real quiet overhead lately. Runway closed till they drag that bird out of there.
I understand the usable runway was 7800 ft...that isn't very long, although not short. I puckered a bit at 7000' lengths in the planes I flew. I believe there was a displaced threshold, making it a bit short for the conditions. Shortest I landed at was in Grand Turk in the late 1990's with a DC8. Somewhere around 6000 ft and you better be on your numbers over the fence.
Man, did I get a laugh out of this post. 160 is higher that I would have guessed, not having flown this bird, but having flown with some of the scum that Miami's North West 36th street had to offer, you are right on the money with the analysis. ...Now, go fly that flight, or you're FIRED !!
Just left you a post...Thinking of buying a 1981 72 ft Brow, but read your earlier post about how these boats heel over in rough weather. ...need to talk to you
DC-4 and 707...Now we're talking! I fell in love with flying as a passenger on a 707 and 15 years later ended up flying them around the world. I've flown a lot of planes in my life, but you never forget your first true love.
Yeah, but they sure could have used full reverse on both motors in that case. Heard the airspeed was 163 and ground speed 178.
Looks like a 737-800. Placed on a barge this afternoon. Heading to Green Cove Springs. NTSB just got the flight recorder also.