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Detecting water damage?

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  1. zen

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    This summer, I looked at a 10+ year old, 60ft-ish vessel that checked a lot of boxes. I was contemplating an offer, when it went under verbal contract. That buyer didn't move forward after flying in to take look. I had moved on to another deal which ultimately fell through. A couple of months later the broker called and said the owner was ready to let it go. Went back to take a deeper look and found what appeared to be water stains several inches high in the master closet which was cedar. I figured it could have been a lot of things and didn't think much of it. However, I found similar stains in another closet. The broker claimed it wasn't water damage, but it spooked me enough that I didn't move forward.

    Now a couple of months later, I still think about that boat as a good fit and a deal at the right price compared to what I've looked at recently. I know if I survey the boat we could probably get an answer. Before I do that, I'm asking if there are any other ways to determine if a boat had water damage or what might have caused those stains. To my eye, the engine room looked clean and the engines and generators started up fine. The boat didn't smell any more musty than any other boat of that age and wasn't beat up. Carpet hasn't been replaced in several years (if ever). There have been 4+ owners and it was out of the country. Any advice appreciated.
  2. Pascal

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    Hard to judge not knowing what kind of boat it is. Are there any other stains on wood down low like on cabinetry? Any sign of corrosion to anything installed low?

    Any removable panels in the closets where the stains are so you can see behind? any air handler in these closets that could have leaked condensate and stain the wood?

    Any serious flooding would leave evidence
  3. zen

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    It’s a convertible. I didn’t notice any rust or stains in the salon. The first incident I noticed could have been something like an AC unit from the engine room. The second wasn’t in an area with anything nearby that could cause it.
  4. Capt J

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    It's so tough to tell without seeing pictures. It could be any number of things such as a/c drip pans got clogged and overflowed. If you don't see any signs anywhere else in the boat it's probably not a submerging. Could be a/c lines sweating behind the closet, who knows. Maybe hire a surveyor to take a cursory look for you or someone who specializes in yacht repairs. Where is the vessel located?
  5. Capt Ralph

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    Still no mfg or model info. Please give us something to work with. Pictures would really help also.
    Any survey info? Past or current?
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    Hatteras, low hours for the year. Attached is an example of what we found in a few closets.

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    That is a lot of detail. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...
    This site is trying to help here and your giving us 60ft-ish length & 10+ in age.
    One picture??? That could of come from carpet cleaning..
    All we can do is guess.
    Give us the sales ad lead. Some of us may know the boat.
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    I d look at what is in the closet. Can’t tell from that bad picture. Is there an air con in there ? Is the back of the closet removable (they often are)? What s behind?
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    Could be from carpet cleaning also. It definitely wicked up from the carpet, but was not submerged. Is this a hardtop boat with a very big satellite dish on the hard top? Does it have a tender davit on the bow and C32's? What is the name of the boat? Out of the country such as St. Martin? If these items ring a bell, I know the entire history of the boat
  10. zen

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    I appreciate the help and was intentionally avoiding detailed information so as to not trash a listing. I only have a few other pictures that show basically the same thing in different spots. A size limitation on the forum prevented me from uploading a higher quality image.

    Carpet cleaning is a possibility and something I hadn't considered. One area looked to have an air vent close and another was near a sealed black panel. Obviously I could get a better answer at survey, but if I go to look again on my own I wanted to spot other tells. Occam's razor: it's likely fine but the owners didn't maintain it as well as other options in the same age range, despite what appears to he relatively light usage.
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    Oh,, Lets trash the listing and have some fun if it needs it
    Or will help you find if it's a good deal.
    One member is already thinking he knows the boat.
    It's free advise and you asked...
    It could only save you some money if there is any panky going on...
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  12. Capt J

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    Send me a pm. I’m pretty sure I know the boat, the original owner, what caused what you’re seeing and the second owner, etc
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    I can understand the lack of detail as this boat seems to be "seriously for sale" and too many buyers showing up can raise the price again.
    As I read the statement from your original post I envision one closet. If there are no stains at that same level in all closets, drawers, or other joinery then it could have been an isolated spill in said closet. On the other hand I have seen wood stains in drawers in a stateroom that came from far away at a deck/hull joint. This stain must be specifically explained and investigated as part of "to buyers satisfaction" in any offer. Water in the boat is for the birds.

    Went back to take a deeper look and found what appeared to be water stains several inches high in the master closet which was cedar.