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Bio-fouling problem

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  1. Houston60

    Houston60 New Member

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    Good evening Gentlemen,
    Since recently I've been running a 20m yacht basing in porto Montenegro.
    Please help me with the am problem I am not very much experienced in.
    How regulary do you clean your hulls? Do you always haul the yacht, use divers or both?
    How often do you dry dock your yacht? Average yearly temp about +14C (Montenegro).
    We have a contractor in our region offering complete "underwater management" as they call it, which understands cleaning on monthly basis by divers with a very good price + guarantees that we won't need to haul out the yacht. The price for this "package" is twice as cheap to compare with 1 haul-out with high pressure blasting... Sounds quite attractive, but I would like to hear other opinions on the issue. My previous experience was something like hauling out once in 2 years with a diver scrubbing before the season started. This time I need to be more professional and study the issue.
    Thanks a lot in advance
  2. Pascal

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    No idea about your home waters but here in south Florida most boats get cleaned by a diver once a month, they check and replace zincs too, for $2 a foot (plus since costs obv)

    We usually get two years out of bottom paint between bail outs
  3. Capt Ralph

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    Our insurance company has been requiring out of water surveys and messing up our hauling schedules.
    We have gone 3 years (twice now) between hauls and contribute this fantastic performance to our diver who dusts off the bottom every month. I think we could easily go 4 years if the insurance company leaves us alone.
    Once silt and slime covers the paint, the best poison can not stop what adheres to the bottom. Once that barnacle forms a shell, the paint is has lost any gains.
    Paint will not stick to running gear for long. Our diver does some cleaning here. Zincs about twice a year.

    With horror in our eyes, We have witnessed results from other diver service. You must find a good diver and stay with him.

    Stay around the marinas and watch every haul out. Find out who has been diving the ship. Evidence will come quickly on your decision who to use.
  4. Capt J

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    Divers here are monthly. Usually $2.50-3 per foot per month, plus zinc prices as needed. A diver is about 1/4 the price of haulout and pressure wash. 7 out of 10 divers SUCK, so find a good one. I ran one to the yard for an owner, who had a monthly diver and the 2' below the waterline were perfectly clean and below that 2 YEARS of growth. I usually do bottoms every 18 months (hauled/painted) with ablative paint. If the boat has hard paint, some of them do go as long as 3 years, but not ablative.
  5. Oscarvan

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    Next time you haul out, put a different color anti fouling on there. When the old color starts coming through, it's time to haul again.

    In between use divers to replace zincs and running gear, and occasionally clean the bottom . How often depends on how much growth there is. That's a function of how many miles you do and the eco system you're in. Salinity, species, temperature, etc. etc. Some places need it monthly, some need it a lot less.

    Go down there and see what it looks like. A bottle of air is cheap.
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    I'm going out on a limb and say if you are a master mariner as your profile states those seem like odd questions.

    Odd in that I have a hard time believing you would not know the answers, and if not, you could find out simply by talking to the guy in the rig on either side of you.
  7. olderboater

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    Reality is none of us can tell you about the waters of Montenegro and then your specific marina and boat. In Fort Lauderdale, we get ours cleaned every month most of the year and every three weeks in the summer. We also regularly inspect to see if we need the diver sooner. We want the job of cleaning to be easy. If you reach the point it's difficult to do, then you waited too long. We use Propspeed and I know some swear by it and some find it useless but I think properly applied it helps. We use hard paint, not ablative.

    A lot has been said about having a good diver. Triple what the others have said. Get the best you can find, the most knowledgeable in boat care. And check behind them. Get a camera so you can check regularly. We also have someone on site as well and discussing with the diver what he's observing. It's easy for us when home, it's when cruising that we have to figure out a frequency.
  8. Houston60

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    Thank you all (except for "RER") for sharing your experience, it was very useful.
  9. Trinimax

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    down here in Trinidad the sea temps are quite high and we require a diver to wipe of the slime every two weeks. I would normally use a hard paint on my 38 ft sportfisherman and have had the paint last me 3 years between haul outs. The paint seems to wear away the most around the waterline above the chine where the sunlight increases the growth rate, hence requiring the diver to clean that area more often.
  10. Oscarvan

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    This is why I always add a few (2-3) extra coats of anti fouling on the top foot. Not a lot of paint, doesn't take long, and as you said, that's the part that takes most of the beating, so you can scrub it a little more without wearing through just two or three layers.
  11. Trinimax

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    yea I normally add an extra 2-3 coats to the area above the chine, looks like I will have to add more next time.
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    Make sure your scrubber is not using a wire brush.......;)
  13. Trinimax

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    hahaha good one, nah its normal 3m scrubbing pad. like I said, cant really complain about my bottom paint lasting 3 years in the tropics
  14. Capt J

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    Hard paint lasts much longer than ablative and is more effective, but also the paint you're getting in Trinidad has better ingredients that are outlawed in the U.S.. What brand of paint are you using? Interlux ultra?
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    The paint that I had on for the last 3 years was a Carboline hard paint sold by the local distributors here in Trinidad, not 100 % sure what exact product
    series. Unfortunately they stopped importing the hard paint in blue, and I did not want to go with black paint. So I have since reapplied a different brand of blue paint, and I will have to see how it holds up.

    I have attached a picture showing the condition of the paint after 3 years.




    bottom paint 2.jpg
  16. Capt Ralph

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    I have noticed boats tied close to the docks fuel pumps loose the top inch or two quickly. Just a few drops out the vents while fueling leaves a wide solvent cloud on the water. Gentle rocking of the boat and lil ripple on the water helps insure the top couple of inches of bottom paint get softened. Then ad UV, and more slime.
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    X2. If you don't know those answers to the questions you pose then the next question is why are you in charge of the vessel?
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    Sorry if that is a harsh assessment but the reality is that is a question you ought to be asking yourself. Yes no one can know or anticipate every detail or situation. That being said my advise is to haul out every year and fix what needs to be fixed and pressure wash the boat when it's hauled. Paint it every other year if using an ablative paint; if it wears quickly then paint the sides and bow area one year and a full job the next. Use a diver as needed. Put on a mask and every couple months go see what the bottom looks like. Pay attention to the intakes and growth on them; that's far more likely to cause an issue than growth which simply slows the boat down. Every place a boat is has differing conditions which will dictate how much or how little you need to clean the bottom.
    Cheers.