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  1. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

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    In good spirit my friend.

    Pushing our 58 x 18 Bert without thrusters in any marina with a smile has taken some time to master.
    Past experience and practiced theory helps a lot.
    Ready for Murphy to crawl on your shoulder is the test of practice and readiness (spelled luck). But a real feel and reaction comes automatic sometimes and blows even Murphy aweigh.

    You cant do that reading chapmans, looking at pictures, playing sim games.

    Now, If I could just master backing our rebuilt outboard V20, I'll have some real PoPah to brag on.
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    We all react and respond to perceived danger differently. Much of that is impacted by previous experiences we may have faced in our lives.
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    For you old tin drivers, I used to be an engineer for DEC. Our PDPs (computers) used to control those flight sims at many places. I managed the systems at Flight Safety, Savanaha GA during the 80s.
    Big ole cockpits on hydraulic rams.
    Also Rotors at Hunter & Stewart.
    Seat belts were really, really required.

    They were developing the G3 next door.

    The only sim I could almost survive (dead within 5 mins) was the tank sims at FtStewart.
    Inside a shipping container with 4 inch rams at each corner. The Gun sight eye piece would really kick into your eye socket (recoil sim).

    These sims had feedback and could dehydrate you quickly. Faster with a company proctor behind you.

    Still, nothing beats the real thing..
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    Exactly.
  5. Oscarvan

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    The phrase "fight or flight" comes to mind, except there's no flight in many marine or aeronautical "abnormals".

    Yes, I've woken up a few times to the 110% level, both in airplanes and on boats. :eek:
  6. Oscarvan

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    Hah, my first sim was Leopard I in 1978. (driver) You're right, the episcope could leave a lasting impression on your forehead. The visuals came off a giant mock up of the landscape, roads, town etc with a camera on the bottom of a telescoping mount, hanging from an overhead X/Y system (the telescope provided the Z) On my final check ride I came around the corner in town and there in front of me in the middle of the road were two GIANT people, butt naked engaged in you know what. Turned out to be the master Sargent's key chain which he would put on the mock up..... this was the signal that you had passed.

    As far as "nothing beats the real thing".... yeah, but do you really want to practice the real thing in an airplane? Engine failures? Cargo fires? Aircraft upset? Number one you'd have to take an empty airplane which then can't be making money, and you inherently add a layer of risk. Many, many accidents have taken place during training. All it takes is for the student to stomp on the wrong rudder during an engine failure on take off.

    In fact, todays simulators are so good that I have flown several airplanes for real, for the first time, with paying passengers on board. Takes everything I have not to include in the welcome announcement:"Folks, if you've never flown one of these, haha, neither have I"
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    That's the way the state of the art boat simulators are as well. Definitely not a video game. On an introductory stage they do simple things and a lot of docking. But they have the capability to give you some very realistic experiences. They developed out of some of the military simulations. With the new requirements on Captain's licensing and more emphasis on assessments, then the demand for simulation has increased dramatically.
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    So, O B, your talking about the real big sims like the airplanes, rotors, tanks and ships.
    Very much unlike the yacht sim you can run on your home PC.
    Most boaters will not have access to the big maritime ship sim stages.

    Not sure if rolling a MLB over a breaker could be sim'd anyway.
    I think that real training is for the proctor to really put a stain in your shorts.
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    I wasn't ever talking about a PC simulation. Yes, i'm talking a major professional simulation set up. I'm talking a simulation at a Maritime Academy or school. Various kinds of boats. I can understand your comments if you thought I was talking about a home PC simulation. 120' curved screen. 325 degrees view. 20' x 22' pilothouse. All types of boats, I think probably the only place my wife and I will ever operate a tug. Multiple different bridges.
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    In the aviation business there are specialized training outfits for private/business jets. Flight Safety comes to mind. I assume there are similar facilities for large yachts. Do they not use simulators?
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    That would a -200 with the big motors.
    Flew 'em for 3-4 different outfits, most are tits up now, Evergreen International, Tower Air, Tradwinds Airlines, etc.
    Who do you fly for...?
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    Your higher ticket captains have access to these big Sims. The light captain and req boater does not.
    That's where I took the wrong turn on some of your comments. Sorry about that chief :D.
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    I know of around 7 maritime schools that have systems from NavSim. They don't show a lot about it on their web pages but here is the link.

    http://www.navsimservices.com/
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    This method works perfectly on a boat with a relatively flat bottom, does not really work on a boat with a keel like the 53' Hatteras.

    What does work is say you want to go to the dock on the port side, bow into the current. come in at about a 45 degree angle, put the starboard in reverse, when the bow starts to come out/away from the dock, go to starboard foward for a brief period of time to kick the bow back to port, then back to starboard reverse to kick the stern to port. 53' Hatteras handle pretty well in dockside maneuvers, I cut my teeth on a 1979 58' Yachtfish.
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    You anchor and wait for the wind to subside if you cannot dock the vessel safely, you always have options. A buddy of mine was in Hurricane Hole in Nassau in a hurricane in the 58' Cheoy Lee SF he ran many years ago and all the lines started snapping, he motored into the harbor and rode out the storm with the bow into the wind clutching the gears for hours and hours until the hurricane subsided. You always have options.
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    I was in a Boeing 737-800...... no anchor..... no waiting. Fall out of sky. :confused:
  17. Oscarvan

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    Started PEX, CAL by force, Untied by merger.
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    Small world, 2 of my boating buddies are also Ex-PEX.
    Flying is fun, but a young man's game: just now retired @ 58.
    Looking for a boat now to go Treasure Hunting in the Bahahas, got an old Pirate Treasure Map, should be easy gold.
  19. Oscarvan

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    Nah, going stick around until they kick me out. But slowly going "part time" if you get my drift.