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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by NEO56, Oct 10, 2014.

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  1. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    I think that's using the term losely. Sounds more like an armed robbery that happened to take place on a yacht. Give them credit for at least going where the money is, but they don't sound like criminal masterminds.
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    They came aboard with long knives in a rowboat? I'm no Rambo, but I could fend off a group like that!
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    Nothing that a 12 gauge with OO buck wouldn't make short order of!
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    I was thinking of a Molotov cocktail...tossed into the middle of the boat...it's kind of hard to wield any kind of weapon when your on fire...I'm thinking that might be my weapon of choice aboard my boat. When you leave port just fill up the bottles and stuff a rag in. I think a case of bottles would suffice, if you don't get attacked en route, just pour the gas back into the fill tank and yer good to go.
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    What is piracy if not robbery on boats?
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    These stories always seem to bring out the 3rd grade macho bravado on these threads, yet it seems like those actually in the situation did neither, same as the vast majority of victims of piracy. Anybody with half a brain knows that your life is not about to get less complicated if you kill someone in a foreign land, and there's nothing cool about it. Let's grow up. Those who have do the deed don't talk, and those who talk would generally stain their underwear.
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    As I said, it fits the definition, but I don't consider some poor slob who needs to rob people to live in the same class as the Somalie pirates who steal ships and hold their cargo and passengers for ransom, nor Blackbeard. If a multi-million dollar yacht hadn't presented itself as an attractive target I suspect these guys would have been rolling a drunk. Obviously the yacht's owner considers it about that serious as well since it appears he's not persuing the matter.
  8. Kafue

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    Come on!
    Using "Piracy" to describe this is simply seeking attention to yourself and the incident. The fact is these guys were opportunistic thieves who happened to use a boat to get to a place that they could rob.
    Piracy is an organised expedition with crew. Your post may add to the damage done to a wonderful location populated with very hospitable people. Save this alarmist "PIRACY!" headline for a real issue of the crime.
    Give it a break.
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  9. NEO56

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    I'm guessing this was aimed at me...I'm not talking about killing anyone, but anybody facing 3rd degree burns will surely jump off of whatever they are burning in. I've been attacked in the Bahamas, I shot a spear into a man's foot, and then told him the next one was going into his heart...and guess what...I didn't spoil my shorts. Oh and by the way he and his two friends exited with all haste, in spite of have guns in their belts. So, no I don't have a problem repelling boarders.
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    But I can...
    The headline quoted piracy. It's what sells newspapers. Awakening to personal security, I'm sure the crew that repelled the boarders got excited to some extent. May not have used proper terms either. Big and/or little things like this can be called many things; Piracy, robbers, bad guys, Poor bums lost their way....
    Step on my deck uninvited... anywhere in this world,,, you're a fair (great) target. I'm not going to ask them why they're there or how they feel about world events,. Not even going to call them pirates or bad names (well some) to ease the minds of the soft hearted..

    Turtles and sharks got to eat too; Plug em!!!

    In the 10 years I have been in this forum, I have said just this many a time;
    Don't tread on me or mine.

    And in all fairness, I have upset a few with that attitude. Don't take it personal,,, unless your on my deck uninvited.
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  11. NEO56

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    I'm sorry, I disagree. Piracy is stealing someone's tender in the middle of the night, and anything beyond that, your trying to put Piracy in the same league as the Mafia. Theft is Theft. Pure and simple. You're trying to tell me if they steal something...they're crooks or opportunists ...and if they kill people in the process, they then become Pirates? I don't think SO scooter!
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    Hey Kafue.... put this in your pipe and smoke it.. "Piracy is typically an act of robbery or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed on land, in the air, or in other major bodies of water or on a shore."
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    NEO56, in your short time on YachtForums you've shown a propensity for bombastic posts and popping off to senior members. That kind usually doesn't last too long here.
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    If 4 people board my boat with knives in hand and are un-welcomed. I am not going to assume they are boarding me to just borrow some eggs and cheese and the knives are to eat breakfast. I also am certainly not going to see if they just want my ipad or whether or not they plan on tieing everyone up and slitting everyones throats. I am going to do my job as Captain and protect the safety of the crew, guests, myself, and the boat and I am going to neutralize the problem, even if that means using blunt and deadly force, no questions asked. Perhaps you would sit there and be at their mercy, but I certaintly will not be, nor would any other logical person. To board a vessel armed, takes pre-meditation, and also means they also are prepared for a confrontation.
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    NEO, I would hope you have the wherewithal to see that a dictionary or Wikipedia explanation on "Piracy" is not a response. If not, keep posting for the sake of just...posting.
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    Kafue, In my mind any criminal act upon a boat at sea, at anchor, at a dock is Piracy. It's really kind of simple. The term criminal act runs the gambit from defacing a boat with spray paint to murder, and everything in between. While I appreciate all of the Senior members here and their knowledge, I have a right to my own opinion, and as a member of this Forum are entitled to such. Because your a Senior member does not give you omnipotent status. If the Constitution of the United States is still in effect "all men are created equal" still exists. I have pledged to bite my tongue when it comes to politics, religion, etc. And I am trying to do my best, and benefit from everyone's knowledge, but I will not cower into a corner because a Senior Member tells me I'm not entitled to an opinion. I trust you'll have a very nice and relaxing weekend, what's left of it.
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    When you've got an argument about the appropriateness of a word choice a dictionary is absolutely an adequate resource to make an argument that will sway reasonable people. Most murderers aren't like OJ Simpson or Ted Bundy, though that sort of person may be archetypal for murder. Similarly most pirates aren't Jack Sparrow or the Somalis. Most pirates are small time criminals of opportunity striking out in small boats with weapons in hand.

    What makes them stand out is that boats are so accessible and the boating community so trust based. Walk the dock in any marina and you will find a whole lot of unlocked boats with expensive gear onboard. Walk the parking lot of the same marina and you will find lots of locked cars. There is a real functional difference between being held up on land and being held up at sea, and that's why pirate is the appropriate term, even if they don't rise to the level of planning and resources that some of the more notable examples have.
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    Thank you Opcn.
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    If you walk into a store and steal a piece of candy, a prosecutor out to get you will charge you with a dozen different offenses. The cops may even shoot you, justifying their action by saying you made a "furtive movement". Thechnically they're correct because your actions fit the definitions. But you've still only stuck a piece of candy in your pocket without paying for it.
    This thread, along with several of the comments, is rediculous. It's a non-story.
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