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  1. captainb

    captainb New Member

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    I know this question is a bit vague as it will depend on the specific type of fuel and the place / country at which it was purchased. But roughly what is the cost per gallon for fuel?

    How much do you pay per gallon and what's your location (country) ?

    Thanks for your replies :)
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    P46-Curaçao Senior Member

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    At the moment, we pay (on Curaçao) for gas $ 4.99 per gallon and for diesel $ 3.79 per gallon.

    But, the 'road' and 'marina' prices are the same!

    FYI, we pay $ 1.66 per 100 gallon water
  3. Rodger

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    Fuel prices at marinas both ends of Welland Canal are:
    Diesel $ 1.54 (L) = $ 5.77 U S Gallon
    Gas $ 1.52 (L) = $ 5.70 U S Gallon
    Last week I was paying $ 142.9 (L) = $ 5.35 U S Gallon for gasoline for my car.
    Over night our gas prices will go up or down .10 cents a (L) A BIG RIP OFF
  4. olderboater

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    Haines, Alaska Diesel $3.90/gallon
    Valdez, Alaska Diesel $3.89/gallon
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    Puerto Vallarta Mexico Diesel $4.53 per gallon
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    Contractor rate her is 1.20 per litre plus 7% tax, regularly 1.65 converts approx to 4.40 and 5.80 US per gallon. no complaints on the math pls...
  7. captainb

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    Thank you for your replies.

    I had a look at the berthing costs at some marinas and it is relatively inexpensive. On a small motor yacht <18m with no crew it seems like the fuel will be the biggest expense.

    Assuming $5 per gallon and 40-80 gallons are used per hour (not sure if my assumption of gallons per hour is correct but going on some info I found online) then that would equate to a fuel cost of $200 - $800 per hour.

    The cost will soon rack up if travelling a fair distance per day. :(
  8. olderboater

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    Yes it will but still a relatively small percentage of costs for most boaters. Maintenance, docking, insurance, crew.

    But then fuel will vary greatly depending on type boat and usage. You can get a trawler and use under 10 gallons per hour. Some as low as 3-5. We will use about 800 gallons tomorrow covering 200 nm in 10 hours. We could slow to 8 knots and cover that same 200 nm in 25 hours using 200 gallons on the same boat. Many trawlers could do it with 100 gallons.
  9. Capt J

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    You have to look at GPM (gallons per mile) not Gallons Per Hour. You can always run a fast boat at hull speed and get great fuel economy, 1 gpm usually.....Different types like Trawlers will be very efficient but very slow.....
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    Gallons

    And be carefull, our American friends are talking about US gallons, which are 3.78 Liter per gallon, whereas you might think in Imperial gallons, which is 4,54609 Liter per gallon.

    Attached a typical Britsh filling station:D

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  11. captainb

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    Yep HTM09. So makes it even more expensive.

    Also, no one noticed my mathematical mistake in my example. Should be $400 instead of $800.
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    You were probably given the benefit of the doubt for a simple typo. That won't always happen.:D
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    Just filled the tanks at our marina on georgian bay Ontario. 1.62 per liter.
    Getting expensive up here to boat after you consider dockage maintenance and the short season.:)
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    Most replies were from this side of the pond, I m pretty sure that in Europe fuel is closer to $7 a gallon, isn't it?

    If you want to cut down fuel cost, slow down to hull speed... A 50/55 motoryacht should use about 10gph at 9kts... On the 70 footer I run we burn 18gph at 10kts and 80gph at 21kts... So if guests are in a rush to get somewhere we burn fuel other wise we run at 10kts especially when moving the boat to pick up guests

    Notes that running in between, say 12kts makes no sense as once you get above hull speed fuel burn goes up drastically. At 12kts, we would burn 40gph more or less the same or mile than at 20
  15. captainb

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    Ok, so it's most economical to run at hull speed. Not faster and not slower.

    Looking on the sunseeker website, they state a cruising speed. Is this the same as hull speed? Or a recommended cruising speed which offers a good combination of speed vs consumption? I would have presumed hull speed was slower than this 'cruising speed' indicated on their website but I guess that depends on the weight/displacement of the boat. Sorry if the newbie questions are annoying.
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    First, noticed your math error but decided to let you by one time. Plus your upper number was not out of line as many planing boats will use that or more at WOT.

    No, cruising speed and hull speed are two different things. Most people don't buy Sunseekers to go hull speed. The calculation of hull speed is a factor times the square root of the waterline length. That factor has varied depending on the source, but most consider it from 1.2 to 1.3, but I've seen as low as 1.1 and as high as 1.34. Using 1.3, here would be the formula:

    1.3 x sq rt (Lwl)

    Every boat has a different fuel curve though depending on it's design and it's power. Some, like our Riva and like some Sunseekers, aren't even efficient at hull speed and have a very low hull speed. I found a test of a Sunseeker Manhattan 70 (2 x 1550 MAN) that at 1000 rpm goes 10 knots and only gets .44 nmpg. It probably has a hull speed based on design closer to 8 knots (750 rpm or so) or a factor closer to 1.1. At 1250 rpm, 11 knots, it drops to .26 nmpg. It has a cruising level from about 18 to 25 knots at which it gets .30 nmpg and then drops off until it reaches WOT of 35 knots and .21 nmpg. That's why I didn't yell at your math error as it uses 169 gph at WOT.

    Meanwhile a Sunseeker Predator 80 (2 x 1800 MAN) only does 7.1 knots at 1000 rpm but gets 1.4 nmpg at that speed. At 1500 rpm it gets 16.9 knots (obviously a far more efficient hull) and gets .63 nmpg. At 2000 rpm it goes 26 knots at .46 nmpg and WOT gets 33 knots and .38 nmpg.

    So in one builder you have two very different designs and very different fuel curves.

    Some builders even give range at three speeds in their basic specifications. WOT, Cruising speed (which is typically around 80% or so) and Economy cruising speed (which is generally around 1000 rpm's and slightly above hull speed).

    You need to go look at some reviews and tests of various boats to better understand consumption.
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    Olderboater summed it up pretty well. Hull speed increases with length and hull design.....Sportfish tend to have a faster hull speed than motoryachts....for example on most 2300-2400 diesels, they burn very little fuel at 1000rpms, half of even that at 800 rpms, compared to above 1000rpms where they start guzzling fuel. Cruise is 80% load and basically the fastest speed you can run the boat/motors all day without damaging anything (providing the sea state is agreeable).
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    Fuel costs in Europe

    Yesterday, my son refuelled his boat in a little harbour in Germany in the Baltic Sea for 7.97 US $ per US Gal with automotive diesel, brought in by a fuel truck. For his tankage of appr. 2000 US Gal, he paid roughly 16.000 US $. My impression from his phone call, he was not amused. He used a German word, which translated, would sound like "a rip off". My answer was: Proper planning prevents pure performance. Better fuel planning and choosing the optimum refuelling location could have saved a lot of money. There is always a penalty, if your arm on the throttle is to long :p.

    Refuelling the Cessna Citation with its 600 US Gal fuel capacity, will cost me at the none commercial Jet A1 prices of 6.5 $ per US Gal some 3.900 $ but this bird will take me at 410 Kts about 1.600 NM in less than 4 hrs. And the large sailboat will take me at generator fuel consumption (plus some free wind) around the globe :D.

    Will say, you have to accept, that fast planning boats are not the most economical means of transportation.
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    The actual rpm doesn't have a direct impact, it depends on how th boat is geared and propped and for what speed. In other words, it s not the fact that you re going from 1000 rpm to 1100 that makes a difference but the fact that at 1000 you maybe just below hull speed and then at 1100 you will be over hull. Then on another boat you may be getting above HS at 1200 or 1300
  20. Capt J

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    Not correct. The RPM has a huge impact on what the engines burn, the speed is just relative to how fast the propellors are turning and also horsepower needed to push the hull that fast. There is a huge jump in fuel consumption around 1100-1200 rpms as the turbo's start to turn. Even if you are below hull speed at 1200 rpm's, you're still going to burn double the fuel over running 1000 rpms.....(on most all 2300-2400rpm diesels)

    Look at the propellor curve chart of the engine, any engine (not connected to a boat or anything, just the dyno).
    For a 12v71TI it looks like this
    800 rpms 4gph, 1000 rpm's 6 gph, 1200 rpm's 12.5 gph, 1400 gph 20 gph, 1600 rpm's 30 gph, 1800 rpm's 37 gph, 1950rpm's 45gph.
    As long as the 12v71's are propped to achieve rated 2300rpms WOT, they're pretty much going to burn that no matter what boat you drop them in. Speed of the boat they're in will be the variance to efficiency in miles.