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  1. olderboater, Sep 7, 2013
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    This is a revised question after some input received here. What yachts 130' or less would you feel comfortable using for ocean crossings? If any under 120' even better. These can be stock models or custom builders who build within that range. Either publicly or privately Delta, Trinity, Drettmann, Feadship, and Nordhavn have been brought up. Open to any and all opinions as the input received on my earlier question has been invaluable. My real need for delivery is 3 years or more so lead times is not an issue.
  2. rmjranch, Sep 7, 2013
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    Ocean Crossing

    I have a 24 Meter (80 Foot) Jongert Motor Yacht that was built in 1988 and has had three major refits. The boat has crossed the Atlantic six times on her own bottom. We just completed a four month trip from Miami to St Lucia. Boat is still in St Lucia. She is a true displacement hull, 10.3 knots. We have seen some really big seas. This last trip 6 to 8 with many 10 foot waves, going straight into it. We were all up on the bridge, enjoying the trip and our tea. My boat is all aluminum. I had a 49' Grand Banks (Glass hull) and would never have made the trip. Of course the GB is a coastal cruiser not a real offshore boat. I have no experience with large fiberglass boat so I will not voice an opinion. My aluminum hull just went effortlessly thru the seas. Note that my boat has oil cooled shafts. Really quiet and much safer but very expensive.
  3. rmjranch, Sep 8, 2013
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    Forgot to mention that my Jongert is a classed vessel. It is NOT "Built to class" which just means they followed some rules, but you have no way of knowing if it was actually done. My boat is 100A4 and indeed it is a ship, not a boat or yacht. Will add 10 to 20% to the cost but there is a difference.
  4. Rene GER, Sep 8, 2013
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    There are more specifications for your dream yacht? Drettmann builds now with Acico Yachts from the Netherlands a 24-meter explorer yacht with a diesel-electric POD drive system. The yacht has a top speed of 13 knots and a range of 5,000 nm.

    Navel Architecture was made by Acico Yachts. The Dutch people can build very good yachts. So I think this can be a good choice.
  5. olderboater, Sep 8, 2013
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    Drettmann sure has some interesting designs.
  6. K1W1, Sep 8, 2013
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    Hi,

    I was lucky enough to be shown around one of those in San Diego in about 1999. It had a dark green boot top from memory and had 3406 Mains. I have been engineer on two Jongert sailing boats and found them to be great little ships indeed.
  7. davidwb, Sep 9, 2013
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  8. olderboater, Sep 9, 2013
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  9. Ward, Sep 9, 2013
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    The Dashews' FPBs regularly cross oceans, even the 64'... If I had the $$, that's what I'd get, although for the guest capacity you mentioned in the other thread, you'd probably want to look at the Wicked 97.

    SetSail
  10. olderboater, Sep 9, 2013
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    I see what you mean about sea worthiness, but may just be a bit too far out there for my tastes. I love the open deck plan. But the rest of the layout I didn't find myself attracted to on first look. Now maybe they look better in person. I'll consider but not top on my list at this point.
  11. davidwb, Sep 10, 2013
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    Vripack also offers a larger "Doggerbank" yacht:


    Doggersbank Offshore 120' // Portfolio
  12. Rene GER, Nov 15, 2013
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    I've got two new ideas.

    Maybe a Foy 24? Built by an Ukrainian yard, but designed by Dutch Ginton Naval Architects. Cruising range: 4,100 nm


    Or a Selene Yachts 78. Designed by Guido de Groot. Cruising range: Cruising range 4,000 nm @ 9.5 knots and 8,000 nm @ 7 knots.
  13. karo1776, Nov 15, 2013
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    You might check out the 27m Giffioen by De Vries Lentsch built by Bloemsma Van Breeme...
    Its currently for sale by its builder and/or Campers & Nicholson web site...

    Or check out the Van Der Vliet web site... in the motor yachts for sale... a whole bunch which might be what you are looking for...
    Doggersbank 84... by Vripack and built by Kuipers.
    Moonen 114 explorer... really low hours of use and excellent value... local Monaco boat I have seen it personally (not been aboard... but looks perfect for you)... really good value
    Aluship 79 Explorer Vessel... brand new by Vripack

    Wow just looked at this looks prefect... now I don't know if I am allowed to post a sale listing but I have no interest in sale or something... just informational as I thought this was really neat looking... if I wasn't a sailboat guy... I would be checking this out
    http://www.yachts.nl/aluship-explorer-vessel-79-motoryacht-for-sale-ref-23.020-info

    Many many of the Dutch built displacement motor yachts in the 60-120 range would be prefect... for ocean crossings...

    But I would prefer sail... myself!
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  14. olderboater, Nov 15, 2013
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    I appreciate the latest suggestions and those are some beautiful boats. However, we are not interested at this time in strictly displacement boats. Top speeds of 12 knots are appropriate for ocean crossing but for the vast majority of our cruising we just want the ability to go faster. We have listened to and considered all the suggestions.

    As to sail, that's way too much work for lazy people like me. lol. Actually we have gone sailing a couple of times with friends since moving here and enjoy it, but as a treat, not as the norm, and as passengers and guests, not as sailors.
  15. karo1776, Nov 16, 2013
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    olderboater...
    I know exactly what you are talking about as to sailing... as I have aged and the family aged even on the smaller day boat size its too much to deal with and I need the younger professional sailors to do the work and scampering around. But such boats are not suitable for cruising, at least in my situation, and the large sail boat... is just still intimidating as hell to me to consider to personally operate. I seldom take the helm or have desire to. I can say this looking up at the sails or at the instruments of forces generated I wonder how even a rather massive halyard of exotic fiber can take it. And, I worry about breakage and a bitter end hitting someone or a sail or line falling on one of the ladies or myself... it might kill you. I worry about the captive winches jamming or something... a almost never situation. So you are right not to be so interested... I am always looking at boats... the ladies are always hinting about "motor yacht".

    As to that... what you don't realize is that until you experience the thing you don't have a clue. See gybes and tacks and all the other stuff that shifts the boat around... all have to be coordinated with meal service... ladies bathroom time... which can be long... and other guest and owner issues of comfort. Even bed time often heel angle needs to be considered. I can tell you hell has no fury like an older lady upset by being jostled around in her opinion... you might not notice as a sailor but its a big big deal in operation. But fundamentally I am a sailor at heart from an early age.

    As to speed I can really understand that too!
  16. olderboater, Nov 16, 2013
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    Well, in spite of my id here (chosen by my wife and compared to her, I'm older, but we underestimated the average age of people on this site and I'm probably right in the middle), I'm not old and am capable of the physical aspects of sailing. Just too lazy I guess. I do love occasionally getting out on a sailboat though with friends, when someone else is doing all the work. I may even charter one occasionally, but always with crew. I know already that my next trip to Annapolis, I intend to go sailing.

    As to speed, I consider myself moderate. I don't like slow only, but I'm not a go-fast boater either. Our current boats are the first we've ever owned that won't top 50 knots, but that doesn't bother us at all. We'll probably always have some sort of play boat that will go 40 knots and we can enjoy locally on nice days. Oh and our tenders will go around 40 but we have no desire to go that speed in them. Now on a larger cruising boat we don't even need 30, but we do like the ability to cruise at 20 knots. One day we may find that 15 knots is fine for us as a top speed. We just know now. We have chartered a couple of different yachts for a week at a time and intend to charter some for longer periods while waiting on whatever we order. In fact our next charter will be of a model we're strongly leaning toward, same boat just a few years old.

    Chartering has confirmed to us already a few things about our personal tastes.
  17. Natuzzi, Nov 19, 2013
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    What about something like this: OceanClass 70

    It almost maches your speed requriments with 16 knot cruise capability, and around here the builder is quite renown for his work on sailing boats (and hybrids most recently), so quality should be there as well.
  18. GrahamF, Nov 19, 2013
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  19. olderboater, Nov 19, 2013
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    The Oceanclass/Greenline/Skagen are all interesting. Not what I'm looking for, however.

    As to Moonen, I looked closely at their "Fast Displacement" models, especially the 99 Alu and the 129 Alu. I loved certain features of their boats. Especially we liked the layout of the 129. We did have one criticism of it and that was that the crew space wasn't adequate for a boat that size. It only allowed for a captain plus four others in two crew cabins. Moonen is an excellent manufacturer and we did give them serious consideration.
  20. GrahamF, Nov 19, 2013
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    Hi Olderboater.

    I think you might find it hard to find good crew accommodation for that size boat. I would say if you go for a expedition style boat where the Captains qaurters are on the sun deck area where the wheel house is and then have 2 crew cabins below for 4 crew then you will be fine but that might mean you have to do a new build to your specs. Crew accomadtion is the last thing designers and shipyards worry about in my experience. You don't find too many owners that want to make sure their crew is comfortable unless you go 80 meters plus. I hope you find what you are looking for. You must see the crew cabin on the 21 meter Princess I run :)
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