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AC unit will not stay on. Any thoughts?

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  1. NBiancardo

    NBiancardo New Member

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    Hi everybody -

    I have a 1995 Carver 325 Aft Cabin and I'm having some trouble witht he AC. It will start, no problem (and it's cold), but then will only run for 60 seconds or so then shut off. This happens with both the front and aft systems. Is there somethign electrical that would lead back to both?

    Any thoughts?

    Nick
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Good water flow? Any errors on the (newer) display?
  3. Pascal

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    When it stops, no indication on the control panels? Does it show HPF or anything indicating high pressure.

    The symptoms you describe a typical of high pressure caused by lack of water flow. Did you look at the discharge to see how much water comes out? Is the pump running? Have you check the strainer?
  4. NBiancardo

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    Not at the boat now, but the water is definately not being pumped out. I assumed that was becasue the unit shut off too quickly foir the pump to switch on (but I admit to knowing nothing about A/C). Going back there this weeknd. If I read you guy's correct I should first try the strainer to be sure it's not clogged...if it's not that then I should listen for the pump. If the pump doesn't come on is there a way to tell if it's the pump itself or if it's electrical? If i connected a batter directly to the pump it should go on momentarely right?
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    I would not recommend that you connect a 12v DC battery to a 115/240v AC motor. I would however, recommend you call a marine air conditioning service tech. Something tells me you might DIY yourself into more problems than you started with.
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    NBiancardo New Member

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    I have a excellent track record with DIY work...mostly because I know what I don't know (everything), which leads me to ask what may seem like stupid questions, but keeps me from acting upon them. This project will be like all the rest, just have to wait till i get the right advice then go after it.
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    OK. In addition to circuit breakers for the two compressor units, do you have another circuit breaker for the AC pump motor and did you turn it on?
  8. Pascal

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    Water pump runs on AC power, either 120 or 240 but on a boat your size it s most likely 120v. It should come one when the compressor kicks in. Again it depends on the system, usually the blower/fan comes on first, without the pump. Then when the compressor kicks in the pump should start, now on some older installation there are no relays and the pump kicks in as soon as the system is turned on.

    First check the strainer, this is a maintenance item, needs to be cleaned every 3 to 6 weeks depending on where you are and how much grass you get. You should do it to exercise the sea cock anyway..

    There can also be blockage at the thru hull or or if the strainer was dirty, grass can be back up in the hose between the sea cock and strainer. WIth the strainer open, open the sea cock to make sure water flows in the bilge.

    Then start the units and go outside to see if water comes out, it should be a steady stream.

    If still no flow, make sure the pump is running.

    If it s not running check for power at he wiring going to the pump. If no power there, the relays aka triggers are bad. If you have power but the pump doesn't run, then the pump is likely shot.

    Also, keep in mind that air cons need to be descaled every one to two year again depending on where you are. If not, scale and growth restrict cooling although unlikely to cause the AC to shut down right away. But there could be some shells stuck in there restricting flow

    It s not rocket science, it is definitely DIY
  9. NYCAP123

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    I agree with the others. It sounds like water flow. The south shore bays get a lot of eel grass during August, and it cloggs the strainers. But it could also be because of blocked air and icing.
    1) check the strainer.
    2) clean the filters on the front of the unit.
    3) allow to defrost if iced up

    If you need the number of a good a/c guy on the Island PM me. There's only one guy I use.
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    Thanks for all the info everybody! I will work my way they all the suggestions this Saturday and let you guys know the results.

    Again, many thanks!

    Nick
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    Agree, likely water flow. One pump probably feeds two ACs, and since both are acting up water flow seems like a likely place to start troubleshooting.

    Yes, clean the strainer. Could be grass, mud, jelly fish, barnacles, all of the above... and one of our dock neighbors had an eel in his once.

    May also have something like a plastic bag over the thru-hull outside the hull, and that might (or might not) respond to air pressure as from a shop-vac (on "blow").

    Might also need to backflush the discharge outlets. Pressure water from your dock source will do it well enough.

    And/or might have to clean the strainer twice; once to get the system running, once to flush out the rest of the muck that you might have just caused to travel through.

    Yes, it's a good idea to clean inside air filters, yes good to clean the fins, all useful periodic maintenance... but I'm guessing those probably aren't the immediate cause here.

    -Chris
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    Icing is very unlikely, if it was the case it would take longer to happen and the compressor and blower would still be going.

    One more thing... Sometimes pumps are not installed correctly and require manual priming. It is critical that the pump be below waterline AND that the hose from the strainer to the pump inlet goes uphill without any low or high point as these pumps are not self priming.

    If that s the case you may have to manually prime it
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    Actually icing happens quite often to the boats around here if there's not proper ventilation (high humidity and cool nights, but again I think he'll find the problem when he opens his stainer. I think pump problems would have surfaced before now if it was an intallation problem.

    Nick, for future reference you should check the strainers every day as part of your engine room check, especially in August around here because the eel grass breaks loose and cloggs everything; sea strainers, jetboat pumps, outboard props, etc. Normally you won't even have to open it. Just shine a light from the back of the glass and you'll know. Also look at how it's pissing out the side of your boat. When that slows down it's probably a clog.
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    Lol, what do I know about cool nights... :)
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    Sure rub it in as we head into winter. :D It was 49* here the other night. My wife opened the window and I nearly froze. She was surprized when I was grumpy the next morning.:(
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    Send us some cold air, we re still getting into the 90s during the day!
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    Mussels

    Check the strainer, as others have suggested. Then remove the hose to the hull outlet and check it thoroughly.
    Odds are, it's not weed or grass but healthy little mussels!
    They get through the strainer as larvae and grow into mussels when the A/C is idle and get a grip on the hose. They make themselves a happy community.
    Each few months toss a bromide tablet in the strainer, that should do it. Then again, it's a boat and I could be completely wrong!
    Cheers.
    Kafue
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    Thankfully mussles aren't a big problem on Long Island. They have great bay beaches and pilings to make their homes on, and outdrives of boats that don't move. Because the warm water season is so short mussles and barnacles attach mostly to things that won't move at all. Bromine is rarely needed here.If you've ever heard of South Bay strainers, they were invented here, because the eel grass in August/September is such a problem. It floats around the bays in large packs a few inches thick, and gets suck into intakes and wrapped around small hp props real bad. Alumunum props tend to make two seasons, with a sharpening in between.
  19. NBiancardo

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    I know it's been soem time since the post, but i woudl like to thank everyone who responded.

    It turned out to be the magnetic water pump. The impella was frozen and I used a drill to widen the shaft hole just the slightest bit. Put it all back together, primed the pump, and everything worked like new.

    Thanks again, i'd have never attempted it without the info!

    Nick