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The worst stern cleat set up award goes to...

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  1. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

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    Got to wonder what the designers at Apremare were thinking on this one....

    When you are tied to a dock that s lower than the cleats, you have to run the line on the cap rail which has a small rub strip but not enough to protect the wood. So this guy runs the lines down in the cockpit and out thru the deck drain, with the line rubbing on at least 3 fiberglass corners in the process...

    Nice design!

    And note how the wood is already stained with water intrusion... The boat has many such dark spots, I guess they didn't think about soaking the back in epoxy before installing I wonder what the broker tells prospective buyers :)

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    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    That looks like the stern of an Apreamare.

    **** Pascal, are you in the mood for dissing every cr*p design on the market? It's a very long list. ;)
  3. Pascal

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    Yeah... I guess I am! Whenever I see a stupid design i take pictures... Spreading the word doesn't hurt!
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    Those are nice looking boats, well finished and that's a nice cleat. Of course those rounded sterns can prevent crossing the stern spring. But someone really blew it there. A chock or hause hole not being cut in behind that cleat is is a major desighn flaw. The owner is doing himself no favors either. When a good strain in put on that line he'll be buying fiberglass.
  5. Pascal

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    I can't say that a boat with poorly protected wood which is staining from behind is well finished.
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    Here is another pic of how the lines have to be routed

    Nice...

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    My question is whether he'll be paying for a fiberglass repair before or after his lines part and the boat slides into his neighbor's boat. How could he even think that's a good idea?
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    It's "Designed in Italy!'
    Whoa,that makes the difference to all of us "plebs"

    You are right though, in general the Apremare is a very well built boat based on the local fishing boats!
    The trouble must have started when the "stylists" got hold of the functionality of the original time tested design.
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    That is a plane language problem. The sentence "Form follows function" can just not be translated in all languages. At least not into Italian or French:D.

    Italo design is georgous. Its beautiful. They make nice interiors, furniture, shoes, haute couture, everything with high quality and great looking boats. And sometimes their products even work (but not always north of th Alps).

    French designers are only able to translate it into "everything follows form", they are really surprised, if you can use it at all. But they also have their superior fields. They are very nice people, make good food and are great chefs.
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    Why isn't the cleat mounted on the deck and the scupper drain they're using wasn't made into a simple hause pipe, I have no idea. You see the Italians, French, and England only build yachts that are designed to tie up at their dock at the factory, nowhere else. That also goes for getting on and off a lot of them.
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    I think someone played a game on this owner. I just looked over about a dozen and a half pics of various models. Almost all have the cleat atop the bulwark, and one I saw had a chock. What model is this?
    As for putting that cleat on the floor, with the corved transom seat on most of these I think it'd make a real good place to stub your foot.
  12. Pascal

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    That's a 48 btw

    Today I saw 3 more late model European boats with no rub rail including an 80 sunseeker flybridge.

    Helllloooo... America calling Europe... We have pilings!! We don't med moor which is good since most boaters can't anchor anyway :). Adapt your boats if you want to sell them here !
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    But rub rails aren't sleek and pretty.:) and they take away from a gleaming black hulls (with big white scratches).:eek::D

    In a few weeks I'll start cruising on a 1981 56' Hatteras. It'll be so nice to be back on a boat that has what it needs in the way it should have it.:cool:
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    Europeans

    Those Europeans are not doing a bad job selling their boats over here, maybe their drivers are just better. :cool:
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    Or they don't mind paying for paint.
    BTW, It appears that someone did play a game on this owner and other buyers of newer 48s. Here's a listing for a 2008 model. Check out the beautiful chocks aft of those cleats. Looks like someone decided to save a couple hundred dollars.
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    Sorry, I got lost at the picture of the girl on the bow...... :)

    Yeah, it definately has chaulks there......Maybe this one was supposed to have chaulks in between the stainless wear strips and for some reason they never got installed......
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    "BTW, It appears that someone did play a game on this owner and other buyers of newer 48s. Here's a listing for a 2008 model. Check out the beautiful chocks aft of those cleats. Looks like someone decided to save a couple hundred dollars."

    More likely the owner of this one was a little smarter (or has a smarter captain) and corrected the builder's mistake(s)

    We re in a slip that s just a foot, maybe 18"'wider than the boat there is no way we re going to come in and out without touching the pilings... And narrow slips are pretty much the standard here.
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    Actually saw it on a few, and most of their boats have the cleats on the bullwarks or have chocks. They don't look like after-market. First saw them gone on the 2012. Maybe the company has a new bean-counter.
    You consider 18" over the beam tight for a 48' boat???:eek: And the Apremare only needs that for a few feet mid ships. I'm surprised at you. You come in, stop motion as your boat blows over to the pole, then move again as she rebounds off. I've been in more than a few slips where I've had to spread the pilings (That's not fun with fiberglass).
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    It s not tight coming in, that s the easy part. The problem is that it s too tight to keep the boat off the pilings when you don't have room for fenders, which rarely stay in place anyway. That s when you need a good rubrail and a tough hull deck joint!
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    Try fenderboards?