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Fate of the mega-yacht

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  1. Blue Ghost

    Blue Ghost Member

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    I'm curious what will happen to one of the really big super yachts when it gets too old to put to sea again. Old wooden yachts could be scrapped for wood. But everything seems to be made of composite materials that would seem to be hard to recycle.

    What happens to those ships and their hulls?
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    I have never heard of old wooden boats being scrapped for wood? But most of the really big superyachts are made of steel (and aluminium) that can be scrapped. However both them and the composite yachts will most likely be refitted again and again...

    Besides this, I have heard that old composite materials like GRP can be used in urban developments, mixed with concrete as foundations.
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    Quite a few Houseboats started their life as yachts and then as they became uneconomic to run, became static homes. A few, such as the J-Class 'Endeavour' have been restored to yachts.
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    Yeah, a lot of old sailing vessels were torn apart for their timbers. I think mostly for furniture and things like picture frames. A lot of old sailing vessels that I've seen smashed on rocks are just un-salvageable by the very nature of their fate. It breaks the heart to see those photos of something like an aged clipper torn asunder because she got too close to the rocky coast line.

    I ask this question because a lot of Youtube stuff I've seen shows some boats built of advanced polymers, and knowing a little about material science, it just seemed difficult to recycle that kind of material into a coffee maker or TV casing or something.

    I guess just in general, what will be the fate of some of the specialized yachts, I wonder. Like all those racing trimarans, or the ones built specifically to break speed records. Or even Spielberg's yacht, or that Russian billionaire's yacht. At some point they'll become too old to operate. All ships get that way. I'm just curious what will become of them.
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    Hazardous waste. One more good reason that yachts should be built of wood!
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    Really..? Any examples..?
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    Old Ironsides is still floating.

    It's just a matter of time and materials to keep a woody afloat.

    P.S.- Time and materials = lots of money, as in gazillions over time.
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    Fantasy yacht park?

    I used to view a couple coastal schooners (Hesper and Luther Little) that rotted away outside my office window... it was a 80 year process which I saw the last 20 years or so of. The only reuse of timber I was aware of was someone who made really nice mechanical pencils and fountain pens out of wood taken from a spar.

    But... I digress... having seen the explosion of 100+' yachts that are generally well built, but require a crew and large operating budget... sooner or later there are going to be lots of older gems going at giveaway prices.

    Switch one's mind to the aircraft boneyards of Arizona. No real corrosion issues... a perfect place for yacht retirement. I have this vision of a marina in the desert.... no water, but docks and all the stuff one would normally see at a marina. All sorts of yachts secured at their berths, but with engines retired. Of course they're all being lived in, indeed its a vibrant live-aboard community, with what were $100M+ yachts now at $1M prices.

    Yea... its a bizarre fantasy... but it has enough true ring to think it might become true in 50 years...who knows!:cool:
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    Who, me personally? I don't own anything made from a ship that I know of.
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    I can't recall too much of my visit to the Constitution, but out here in San Francisco, the maritime museum has lots of older vessels you can tour. One of them is clipper, and it seems in good order. In fact all the ships there are well maintained, and that museum doesn't earn a whole lot of money either. I think they survive on donations and grants.
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    Some megayachts are scrapped. Look at the fate of Seafari that was posted on here. A 100' +/- Broward MY that was at Jones Boat Yard in Miami and scrapped...... It was probably considered Megayacht status when it was launched.
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    Hi,

    Kalamoun once one of the fastest yachts afloat and built by Abeking and Rasmussenn was scrapped by ..... Lurssen
  13. Blue Ghost

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    Interesting replies. I'm not a big environmentalist or anything, but I'm wondering if maybe some of the vessels to old to serve anyone might be sunk to form coral reefs like a few navy vessels. Just a thought. I personally love ships. Seeing one scrapped is pretty sad. There used to be a small fleet of escort carriers some 25 years ago in Alameda. You can't use an escort carrier for much else other than ferrying Helcat prop-driven fighters without serious (and expensive) modification. But they were sold off and scrapped much to my disappointment.

    Those ships are built of steel, so they'll get transformed into something useful. But John Staluppi's special speed mega yacht is made of special polymers. Could you really mix that stuff in with concrete or other construction material? Once it reached the end of its life could you sink it, or turn it into an on the water bed and breakfast or something?
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    We have to haul this thing out every year. It's not very efficient and pretty ugly, maybe that offshore reef idea is starting to look good.

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    FISHTIGUA, wow. I hate to ask, and I should know better, but is that thing real?

    Anyway, I'm guessing carbon, even though it's very reactive, isn't as easily recycled as other materials. I guess a sunken fiber-glass boat would be toxic to life under the waves, or potentially so.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Why would it be toxic?
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    I don't really know. I guess I'm asking if that stuff would be. :confused:

    I figured with all of the other chemicals used in bonding the fibers together, or the stuff that was mixed with the carbon (I seem to recall that the actual carbon fibers themselves are plastic polymers with all kinds of compounds to form a solid), that there would some leeching of those chemicals into the surrounding waters.

    Does anybody know?
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    Make them into prison ships. A lot of wood sailing ships ended their careers in that manner.
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