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  1. dominomarie

    dominomarie Guest

    Just do it! Dreaming it is step one, selling the biz and the house is step 2, and picking the RIGHT boat is step OMEGA! The boat is everything! Best of luck to you! M
  2. tirekicker11

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    That could be an advantage when your crew turns out to be not that sea-worthy as they claimed to be prior to the passage...
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    I believe you have to reach a qualifying number of posts and it must be marine related.
  4. W. Arthur

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    Marie - TY for your good “boat-cruzen” wishes... You bet cha! Having spent birth through mid 20's on boats all over New England (NY to Maine - back in the 50's. 60's & 70's), and building land based businesses from that point; with a nice, classic, self contained Tollycraft Tri Cabin "party" boat/cruiser (2 + nmpg at 6.7 knts – or – 20 + knts fast cruise, and a tow behind speed boat to boot!) currently often used in SF Bay and Delta Area (we always anchor out!), the global boat-voyage dream-decades I and wifie visualize will certainly manifest - that we know! The biz I founded, funded, and am currently leading is far too important to sell at this juncture of my Corporation products’ development. Visualize: 1. Global geographically based mass-quantity-tonnage atmospheric CO2 separation 2. CO2 reconstituted to syngas. 3. Syngas reconstituted to utility scale "carbon net neutral" diesel and gasoline. 4. Atmospheric CO2 feedstock that will be transposed into hydrocarbon fuels is not only carbon net neutral – but – very importantly, once recombusted it is atmospherically RECYCLABLE!! And, while in its reconstituted petrol configuration our CO2 feedstock fuels are fungible with refined crude oil fuels... truly a product marrige made in heaven! Additionally, our exclusively Solar-Powered system produces 20 GWH annual electric output. Every portion of our system and the interactive systems of Govt orgs and other companies we are in agreement with utilize Solar Radiant Energy for all initial-energy production processes. No waste created – No Problems! So... as you can guess... I’m currently happily married to my biz and excited as all-get-out to help bring this climate-conscious new source hydrocarbon energy business opportunity to fruition. The assistance my Corp’s carbon net neutral fuels can provide to global energy needs regarding the propulsion of 1.25+B currently existing combustion engines will also certainly help all us boaters to continually fulfill our “yachting” dreams! The truest determination of a water-luven, boat-crazed mind/soul is when one while in their early twenties plans their demise at 100 years of age to be on the open ocean... now that’s Water Love – That’s ME! :cool: Hope you and yours meet up with me and mine on the water some future day. ;) I applaud your “yachting” technique and agenda. :D Get It ON!! – W.
  5. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Motor-Sail Synergy

    Adding a sails and/or a sailing rig to an ocean crossing vessel really has to be considered in couple of other veins, not just the cost or savings factors. (and I'm speaking here of adding a rig to a power vessel...to create a combination Motor & Sailer)
    1) Your ultimate range is now unlimited, regardless of the amount of fuel you can carry, and/or find (in remote locations)
    2) Motorsailing synergy I wrote over in this subject thread:

    "Add a modest sailing rig to these easily driven hulls, and you now have a passagemaker capable of cruising 12 knots under sail/ power compared with those older 7-knot boats. With 12 knots of speed at your command, you can really take advantage of 'weather windows' to; 1) make your passage as smooth as possible, 2) make some lengthy passages you might never have considered in a slower boat. This multihulled vessel will likely be slowed less by an obstructive seaway, and will accordingly make a passage at almost twice the average speed of the single-hulled vessel...twice the speed for the same total HP. There is an economy of operation here that cuts fuel requirements and bills, and greatly extends their range. In light airs, running one engine often is all that is needed to bring the apparent wind forward to make the sails work harder, and the combination provides much better results than either motoring or sailing alone……
    .sailing synergy/harmony, the motor taking over in the lulls and the rig taking over in the puffs."



    Here I will quote a gentleman who has put a LOT of miles on both sailing and power cats...his latest one a 60' Malcolm Tennant design called "Wild Wind lV"

    "It is obvious that I think power cats can cross oceans safely, or I
    would never would have left New Zealand to go to Seattle. When one
    thinks about surviving the ultimate storm many things come into play. I
    have never been in what I would call and extremely large storm. I have
    been aboard a 40' mono sailboat in the North Atlantic in 50-60kn winds
    in which we laid a hull. Surviving the storm is just one aspect of the
    ordeal. Fuel supply is the other. You may be able to maneuver the boat
    in such a way to survive, but then you still have to be able to get
    somewhere. This can be a problem if you spent a lot of fuel during the
    storm. I felt this way a little when I left Hawaii and had head winds
    the first two days. I reduced speed to five to seven kn just to keep the
    fuel burn on schedule. Large seas are not the problem if you are
    willing to head the boat in the direction that is best for survival. I
    have found that the first few hours of high winds are the most critical.
    The sea are shorter and tend to break . When the storm winds mature the
    seas are longer and rounder as I experienced in the N Atlantic. I have
    had two experiences where I believe that a mono in the same
    circumstances my have rolled over. Once has off Huahine in French
    Polynesia and the other time was between NZ and Fiji. Both cases the
    boat dropped severely to the Starboard side, just like falling off a
    wall. In both cases I was heading slightly in to the wind and a large
    Southern Ocean swell connected with the normal wind driven sea and made
    a square wave. This is where I believe a mast and sail would have
    helped to dampen the the action. I know people shoot me down when I
    talk about power cats with sail rigs, but for me, who has done it both
    ways, if I were to build another circumnavigating boat it would have a
    mast.
    The mast would steady the quick beam action of a power cat even if
    no sail was set. Also after the storm mentioned above one would be more
    tempted to use the fuel needed to out last a storm if he knew that he could
    always get to a destination. One other point is that most
    power boats on a transocean passage travels at 6-8 knots. I traveled
    that and more in Wild Wind III ,a sailing cat, when circumnavigating.
    I once went 440 KM
    in 48 hrs.

    I believe a power cat with a specially designed rig which
    could be remove easily would be the best of both worlds. Not like what
    we now think of as a motor sailer. The power cat I propose would be
    able to be lighter because you would not need to carry so much fuel. My
    ride from NZ to Seattle would have been as fast or faster if Wild Wind
    IV had a rig. I have designed a rig that fits the needs of us older
    guys who don't want to pull strings any more and could be stored on the
    boat when not used. I would like to talk to someone who wants to build a
    circumnavigating power cat with a mast. I always say that we all design
    things in relation to the experiences we have had. Just like Steve
    Dashew who never thought sailboats needed real good engines till he went
    up from Panama to S. California. I almost bought a Deerfoot. Thank
    goodness I bought a cat instead."
    Dennis Raedeke


    ...if you want to see the entire posting he made have a look HERE

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  6. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    True Cruising Cost Considerations

    Excellent observations Marie.

    Thanks for bringing those often forgotten points to everyone's attention. That is really one of the reasons I wanted to post your original observations, as they come from someone truly out there doing it.
  7. dominomarie

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    Dennis has indeed put a lot of miles. Like our DOMINO, his WildWInd is a Malcolm Tennant design. When we asked Malcolm how, if at all, he would improve DOMINO and WWIV, he responded, "I'd put a mast on it, but it'll cost you another 200K to build." It's only a matter of budget, after all!
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    High speed passagemaking powercat

    Might I reference the 58' powercat Voodoo, designed and built by Pachoud Yachts in New Zealand. Although it doesnt look like it, this boat was designed for passagemaking. It uses an assist foil and cruises at 27knots, with a sprint speed of 37. And with that foil shes very economical.

    Most people will say that this simply isnt possible to maintain when you are out at sea. I have crossed the Tasman Sea (a very unpredictable and dangerous sea, if you don't know it) on Voodoo twice now. We traveled from NZ to Australia in 2 and a half days, including stopping for fishing and a few hours at Lord Howe Island.

    So high speed passagemaking cats certainly do exist :D
  9. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Wow, thanks for bringing up this subject thread once again. I've been off on so many other tangents since first posting this that I almost forgot about it. I was visiting Thailand for Jan & Feb, and missed their accountings of trips to and thru much of Central America.

    I'm in Thailand again (Sept) and rediscovered their blog. Looks as though they have a pretty serious electrical breakdown from a lightening strike.

    They posted some interesting material that all might learn from on their experiences with temporary fixes to what I imagine will be a dialogue about revisions to their system of potecting their electrical systems.

    Some piracy problems:

    And as you stroll thru their well organized blog, don't miss these great underwater shots:

    DOMINO 20

    (Mod Note; Since all six links were going to the same 1:st page, five were removed)
  10. dominomarie

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    voodoo

    Hubcapjoe, I'm thrilled to learn about Voodoo. This yacht is definitely a marvelous addition to the world of power cats. I love to see the speed and innovations.High speed power cats with 1000 NM range are not unfrequent. ProBoat in Brazil makes some splendid specimen. The Tasman sea is, you are right, a legendary body of water to cross. However, it is only 1,200 NM at its widest (according to Wikipedia.) While crossing 1200 NM at 27 kts is a remarquable feat, it does not fully qualify the yacht as a true "Passagemaker." The term applies (according to the Robert Beebe definition) to a yacht capable of crossing ANY ocean on its own hulls, with only 2 crew. Can Voodoo cross the Pacific on her own bottom is the question, and at what speed? With only 5800 liters in her belly, I think not (but I may be wrong.) DOMINO carries 12,000 liters, enough to cross the Atlantic at 20 knots, the Pacific at 12 knots or go half way around the world on 1 engine at 7 knots. This said, Kudos to Roger Hill and Pachoud for creating this marvelous yacht, sure to fill a market niche in NZ and Australia! Well done!
  11. brian eiland

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    Are you sure? I thought each one showed a slightly different address, but then I might be wrong...no problem
  12. AMG

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    Yes, they had different addresses, but when clicked on each, only the same home page opened.
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