Something wrong with 53 or 56 voyager?

I love the Voyagers, but they are what they are. They are lake boats and intercostal water vessels. Unless you want to spend your 8 months waiting on the perfect crossing day you would be better to look at the others you mentioned.

I love Carvers but most are boats made for 3 to 4 footers and when the time comes it'll be a boat made for open water to spent 6 months on, and I was home ported at a O.A. dealer and after seein' the workmanship of them I wouldn't waste a red cent on one...IMO

I agree with the other sentiments and would also take a look at the 58' Searay SB, they are more capable ocean boats than the carvers and similar in interior styling.

I cannot comment on the Voyager as I have only walked on one.
As for the 3 others, they are all very good boats.
The 57 Tollycraft is one of the best laid out boats I have seen and runs great. The saloon gets extra width by only having the starboard side walk around, the sacrifice is the entry to the flybridge is external at the mid starboard. Monk design I think, certainly has that Monk look. Only 12 or 13 built and popular on the West Coast. I have an idea that someone is using the moulds to build a new model of the 57, it is featured in a cruiser magazine using another name, can’t confirm this but looks very similar to the Tolly 57. A sign of the quality on these boats is that most are kept updated and hold value. Perfect pilothouse layout, mid master berth is huge, extra-large cockpit with controls. I had the only one in Australia under offer but the broker bought the boat himself (saying nothing more about that experience!). Owned an OA and Offshore and can recommend both, depending on which model in comparison to what your usage is.
Good luck, you are buying in a perfect market.

If you want an offshore cruising boat you need to be looking in a new direction. Bayliners, Meridians, Sea Rays, Carvers, Silvertons, Prestige, small Azimuts, etc. are coastal cruisers and lake boats. I keep mine on Lake Michigan which is a combination of the two. The fit and level of finish will differ from brand to brand but the goal for the design is similar. OA's. Kady Krogen, Norhavn (my personal favorite), Selene, Grand Banks, Bering's, Flemings, etc. are designed for extended offshore passage making with tankage, redundant systems and generally more heavily built. But even some within that group don’t have the displacement hull for long passage making voyaging. All that extra beef has a price tag to go with it. A 5 year old Carver or Sea Ray 56 can be found for about $500 to 600K. The same 5 year old Nordhavn 55 is around $1.3M to $1.5M. True offshore passage makers run at hull speed not planning speed so you need to be good with that as well.

More than a name you need to make a list of your requirements. How far do you need to go before fuel ups, 200 or 2000 miles? Will you be harbor hopping or country hopping? Will you be spending hours or days/weeks at sea? Can you travel at will and pick only great days or will you want to go on a schedule? When you are weighing one boat against another you have to have a set of criteria that makes sense for your type of boating. If you start from there and work backwards you will come up with a short list that may not make sense for others but will be perfect for you. And that’s all that counts.

Yes to all of the above. That curved Windscreen on the Flybridge will literally make you seasick if you spend a lot of time looking through it while motoring underway - something about the curved optics and the windscreen being so close will drive you nuts!

I personally think the Fleming will do you fine and can get to the 20 mph speed you need. A more affordable option would be a Navigator 53/56, a decent sea boat with good speed/economy.

Look how much money you would save if you take time to wait for the weather window.

A Navigator 53/56 will over-take a Carver Voyager in any see condition, it just won't have the modern exterior styling cues. It would also offer your biggest bang for the buck.

Motor Boat & Sailing had a nice feature article (around 2000) on one that was highly cruised, from West Coast to East Coast and the Great Lakes and is kept in Naples.

Substance over style everytime.........

Whether you buy a Carver or Hatteras, OA or Offshore, items like impellers, compressors, fan belts, batteries etc. will all fail at varying time on any boat and are often from the same manufacturers, but with a quality boat you don’t have the same concerns about how it has been is wired, how the fibreglass has been laid, what the bulkheads are made of etc. That’s why the price difference and if you take care of the better boat you will get the same higher level of resale over the lesser quality boat.
I would buy an older Hatteras any day over a newer flashy lesser quality boat.

Tollycraft examples:
1995 Tollycraft Motoryacht Power New and Used Boats for Sale - au.**************
YW# 1921-2287525

YW# 21624-2408366
1994 Tollycraft Pilothouse Power New and Used Boats for Sale - au.**************

Hatteras
YW# 75743-2373076
1984 Hatteras 53 Motor Yacht Power New and Used Boats for Sale

For more info on the Hatteras brand, contact some of the Hatt owners on this forum, they know which boats are worth a look in the US.
As for Carver, Sea Ray and Bayliner they obviously are good boats for the market to which they are aimed at. Why buy a Nordhavn for a lake or a Custom Convertible for Bass fishing.

I am a big fan of Jack Hargrave, and know there are a lot of loyal Hatt owners on this board, but really, reccommending an almost 30 year old Hatt

I just can't see it, there has to be a decent boat brand less than 20 years old in todays buyers' market. The Tollycraft is a questionmark, as I believe the company was sold and changed hands a few times towards the end, and the workforce had some issues. I would not consider that model one of Monk's better works, as there were a lot of cooks in the kitchen at that time at Tolly. His stuff at OA was far exceeding the Tollycraft brand as well.

The Navigator brand seems to confuse some people on this board, and they really did not do a good job of Dealer Distribution in SE Florida (except for the Galati years), but the Marshall family has built thousands of boats over 30', (Californian and Navigator) maybe the most profilic mid sized yacht builder in the West. For everey broker that is steering you away from one, I can find you two knowledable ones that would have a different opinion. I can tell you that Carver sent their design team to Navigator's dealer in the Northwest with tape measure and notepad inhand to jump start the Voyager design and they were extremely successful in mimicking the layout with a more modern appeal.

But just like trying on a suit, you have to find the one that fits you. Tough choice but there are bargains out there in the $300K range

You may want to look inland for some deals. Our marina at Green Turtle Bay has a 58 Hatteras listed much lower than the range you mentioned. The pics look pretty nice and the interior has been upgraded. I do not know anything about the boat and do not have a iron in the fire with it, but there are some nice boats out there for much less than you mentioned.

I just ran a 61' Viking SC (flybridge boat) that was a 2003 and sold for under $500k. It needed none of that, engines were recently serviced by MAN, and was in pretty good shape, but did need some small fixes to various systems, and I ran the boat from Ft. Laud to Wisconsin without any weather delays nor issues requiring immediate attention. I would take that ANY DAY of the week and twice on Sunday over a Carver.......not that they're a terrible boat, but they're not very good either when it comes to ocean handling. I've run a 58' Searay from Boca Raton to Conneticut, they are pretty decent handling boats all in all and modern and can be had in your price range as well......

Offshore,
It is a delima. That is why it takes time to find the right boat. I spent close to 2 years and even then have had some surprises. However, the right deal for an older boat that is affordable is there in this market. You can't beat a well designed pilothouse with a large cockpit if you want comfortable cruising. There are well respected brokers on this forum who may be able to help. Good luck.