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Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by gccolvin, Jun 22, 2012.

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  1. gccolvin

    gccolvin Guest

    Hi YF, again!
    Let me start this thread by saying this-

    1. I have already read and understand that of all the advice and insight offered, starting a project boat almost always, in every instance ellicits the same response- NO, RUN, $$$$+$$$$, dummy alert dummy alert-- I get that, and I can only imagine why, but lets leave that topic to another thread if possible!
    2. I have other posts, but i don't want them to be in the equation for this one, deal?

    Ok, so, refurb is a nightmare, no doubt, have done many homes, and starting from scratch is faaaaar easier!
    I am looking for a 50-60' steel hull, full displacement trawler. From my perspective, refurb will boil down to this-

    Power- most of the trawlers I have been looking at have a relatively small diesel engine, I will be wanting a single engine, with a small backup, and of course genny- so, am i too expect the same costs for a rebuild, or even re-power on these, i would think not, but havent seen anywhere on here a discussion of this. Maybe that is a good thing.......

    Hull- Its steel! Well ok, corrosion could be an issue, obviously having it thickness tested/inspected prior to purchase is a good idea, but we are talking sandblasting, followed by a properly chosen and applied epoxy/paint system, right?

    Controls, Electronics, and Aux.- I cant comment much in this area, would definitley have to learn, research, and consult on all of these things......

    Interior- Where can i find information about refitting a boats interior? I don't mean repainting, but changing a layout, what materials do you use, calculating weight changes, etc. Is it anything at all like remodeling a home?
  2. YachtForums

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    Colvin,

    You would get a better response from our members if you didn't post threads that read like a book, with tons of questions. Few people have the time to answer all of them at once. You've already had good responses from several members. When you open new threads on similar subjects, it's a slap in the face to those who have tried to help you.

    Cool it on the new threads, get to the point and keep it brief.
  3. AlfredZ

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    Hi there again!

    Any restoration will depend on the condition of the boat it self, which will not be obvious until the whole boat is stripped down to bare metal and the engines are out and opened up. No doubt that if the engine is at least running or firing up MIGHT be a good sign for lower cost. Picking the surgical candidate for your project is a different thing and once you start shopping, I think you will need another thread and add pictures of what you see in that. What I see as an advantage of such project is the provided choice of a conversion of a professional work boat to a yacht if you are really looking for a reliable off shore vessel design, at the same time this will mean it has minimal equipment, less clutter inside and many other advantages and disadvantages alike that you surely can anticipate by working on one your self.

    Hull... Corrosion can be patched and fixed, what I worry more about is core material and isolation, you will find many threads around talking about the subject.

    Interior... Check this link out to see a very nicely executed restoration by a member of this forum:
    http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/general-yachting-discussion/14499-restoring-lost-perl.html
    Material will be defined by your taste and budget, if you like solid wood joinery then that it is, otherwise there are veneers, cork, corian, etc. One thing to keep in mind, you need to have an interior that will handle the conditions you will be in or might face, so moving tables and lite chairs if not stowage friendly then they are out of question. Also, you have to utilize the space that you don't loose any corner that you can't store something at and at the same time can reach that easily, you will need special space for more provisions and spare parts etc., Living space, specially staterooms should be very comfortable and have large enough heads and full showers so you don't hate the second you came into boating! You will spend lots of time on the boat so it should be easy living.

    Equipment and Machines are another thread when you actually start working on the boat, not now because many things change and new stuff and regulation come up from time to time. The basics are the same though, you should have all the alarms available in every location, doubles of everything, telecom units, water maker, for sure a good electrical layout with chargers and electrical system that can work from the genset or any cycle of shore power (60 or 50 Hz), navigation equipment and a reliable autopilot will be required for long passages. Again, this includes electrical, plumbing, mechanical, navigation, hydraulics so it will require a special attention once you made the buy and stripped the boat out and ready to fit it back.

    Have a joyful quest.

    Cheers,
  4. gccolvin

    gccolvin Guest

    YF-
    I thought I had differentiated between my other posts? I have no issues using the search bar, but as of yet, I haven't found any discussions of trawler refurb.
    Otherwise, thanks for your advice, although I might reciprocate and suggest that from a newcomer standpoint, you might want to work on your delivery; a bit abrupt.
    Your correct, I have had some very good responses to my post, AlfredZ and JWY have both been more than helpful, and thanks to them and many others, including yourself, that contributed!
    Great site!
  5. gccolvin

    gccolvin Guest

    Thank you so much AlfredZ, awesome information as always, poinging me in the right directions! Thanks again, gonna go read for awhile, hope all is well there!
  6. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Not exactly a few displacement trawler, but rather a full displacement motorsailer with a fishing cockpit and a nice liveaboard accomodation....a Rhodes 44 motorsailer.

    I made reference to this vessel over on another subject thread that you contributed to, and I really thought it might get your attention...positive or negative?

    816-discoverer-under-way-s.jpg

    'She would have a steel hull, a poly-core composite deck and super structure, and a very nice wood interior in keeping with her classic heritage. I'm also imagining a nice strong SINGLE in-line 6 cylinder engine for economy, easy of maintence, longivity.'
    http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/yachtforums-yacht-club/18431-what-would-you-build-%24600-million-lotto-ticket-4.html#post149993

    ...there were a couple of these older steel 'Virginia Reel 'projects for sale a few years ago, here is one example:
    http://www.lifeisaroad.com/boat.html

    ....and here is the one I found in Southern MD that is currently being restored:
    816-discoverer
  7. gccolvin

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    Brian,
    Actually I love that boat, sorry i missed your reply on other thread, I have been immersed in the sailing world for a few days, lol, so your suggestion couldnt have come at a better time! Now I have to go research that one as well:D
    To state the obvious, I am all over the place at the moment, but keeping an open mind! Thanks for you time!
  8. Kafue

    Kafue Senior Member

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    gccolvin,

    Next you can start a thread titled:

    "What Should I Buy When I Win the Lottery"

    Come on.....get a real idea, the guys here are responding to you in good faith.
    Return the same respect or keep dreaming.
  9. K1W1

    K1W1 Senior Member

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    Hi,

    No need to start another one, there is one on here somewhere about what to buy with 600 million I think the lottery prize was that was mentioned.

    The funniest idea was the one to employ a guy to follow you around with a big stick and to have him beat you with it every time you actually mention buying a boat.

    If my memory serves me correctly that comment was written by an Owner.
  10. gccolvin

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    Kafue, I have no clue what you are talking about? I thought I had been more than gracious for the replies to all threads!:confused:
    If I havent, by all means, point that out, because I fail to see it?
  11. Kafue

    Kafue Senior Member

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    I don't question your manners, gracious? Probably.
    Serious?
    That's my point.
    Are you posting real queries about making a purchase or making random posts?
    In your own words, you are all over the place and many of your questions have answers/info in threads on a forum with the answers available via the "search" as pointed out to you graciously.
    The trigger for this response: Don't pass judgement and tell the person responsible for this ASSET (a free one at that) how to respond to your random threads i.e.

  12. gccolvin

    gccolvin Guest

    Ohhhh... I see....
    Well obviously that has been my mistake, only those who are ready to make an immediate purchase should participate in this forum, I apologize....

    Yes, I have begun 5 threads, admittedly I got a little excited regarding my new forum membership, but not to worry, YF squashed that immediately.... Nonetheless, I am picking my way through the minefield of opinions, in search of facts, so I thought by posing very specific questions, I may get more specific answers....anyway, no worries....

    Despite the fact, as YF has informed me, that you, or any others has the time or willingness to respond to my poorly written threads, I want to thank you AlfredZ for all your in-depth responses!

    There is obviously some great information on this site.... but I think I have found a much more pleasent environment elsewhere!
    Goodbye YF'ers, and Thanks,