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Livaboards Florida law

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by dennismc, Jan 3, 2012.

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  1. dennismc

    dennismc Senior Member

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    Does anyone know offhand if the New River is State, Fed or local jurisdiction ?

    Now that the definition of a livaboard vessel does NOT include a vessel in navigation, should these vessels be allowed to tie up behind residences on the canals and stay aboard on a temporary basis ?? currently Broward Co. does not allow "liveaboards" but lots of them are actually qualify as vessels in navigation.
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    Plenty of legal liveaboards in Broward County.:confused:

    Got a reference to the "law" you are refering to?
  3. Capt J

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    Some area's you can live-aboard in Broward County. There are plenty of places on the Las Olas isles that have pumpout systems installed and it's legal to live-aboard. There are other places it's legal as well, however, most places you cannot in Broward County.

    Most cities have ordinances against it......
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    dennismc Senior Member

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    The new Florida statute has defined "livaboard" and it is NOT your average cruising vessel, so how can Broward Co. deny a vessel in transit, tying up behind a residence for a week or whatever and staying aboard, the statute denies any County from making ordinances etc to control vessels "in navigation".


    FL law) 327.60 Local regulations; limitations)
    (2) Nothing contained in the provisions of this section shall be construed to prohibit local governmental authorities from the enactment or enforcement of regulations which prohibit or restrict the mooring or anchoring of floating structures or live-aboard vessels within their jurisdictions or of any vessels within the marked boundaries of mooring fields permitted as provided in s. 327.40. However, local governmental authorities are prohibited from regulating the anchoring outside of such mooring fields of non-live-aboard vessels in navigation.
    (from Chapter 2009-86, section 14)

    I realize the law references anchoring but the full text has defined what a liveabord is not and most of the cruising community qualifies under that law.

    I am not putting this out to be contentious rather to point out that perhaps these local Governments are again overstepping their boundary's of jurisdiction. If this is of no interest to you please ignore it.
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    You're mis-reading it.

    In section (2) It's saying that Broward County cannot restrict a vessel anchored or moored in a designated mooring field or designated anchorage, which would be designated by the federal government and marked on your chart as an anchorage. (There are very few area's designated as an anchorage or mooring field in Broward County, the only ones I know of are Lake Sylvia, Lake Santa Barbara, the area with mooring balls next to the Las Olas bridge, inside of Hillsboro Inlet, and? )

    A non-livaboard vessel "In navigation" is a vessel that is underway and making way, not stopped overnight to sleep. In navigation could also be construed as anchoring due to a problem, or anchoring to go swimming (and navigating to a further destination). Sleeping more than 1 night in the same place would be considered a live-aboard.
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    dennismc Senior Member

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    Sorry Capt, a vessel in navigation does not have to be underway, this is also covered in US Federal Statutes, to be brief, any vessel capable of navigation is a vessel in navigation whether anchored or not and is not a liveaboard vessel.
    Now we can debate this back and forth but the issue has been clarified and indeed a few sheriffs have had their feathers cut using the same interpretation as you stated, if you need proof I have the letters.


    Very simply and to the point the U.S. Supreme Court has already spoken on this issue.
    “1.U.S. Supreme Court, Lewis Blue Point Oyster Cultivation Co. v. Briggs 229 US 82
    When overturning a lower court case the U.S. Supreme Court said: “If the public right of navigation is the dominant right, and if, as must be the case, the title of the owner of the bed of navigable waters hold subject absolutely to the public right of navigation, this dominant right must include the right to the use of the bed of water for every purpose which is in aid of navigation.””
    Robert Drisco

    AND further....
    It doesn’t matter whether or not you are living aboard for more than 48 hours. As long as you vessel is used for navigation and not solely as a residence you are not a liveaboard by Florida law, which trumps any local ordinances. Florida statute says this:
    327.02 Definitions of terms used in this chapter and in chapter 328.—As used in this chapter and in chapter 328, unless the context clearly requires a different meaning, the term:
    (17)“Live-aboard vessel” means:
    a) Any vessel used solely as a residence and not for navigation;
    b) Any vessel represented as a place of business, or a professional or other commercial enterprise; or
    c) Any vessel for which a declaration of domicile has been filed pursuant to s. 222.17.

    All of the above is FYI for those interested...
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    Ok, but when a boat is tied up to a dock, behind someone's house, wouldn't the city ordinance be in effect since the vessel is tied to land, versus being anchored?
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    I think it s clear that cities can't legally limit anchoring of "real" vessels but docking is a different matter. If not, I d like to see a law or ruling clarifying this

    Now, I don't believe broward sherifs or city cops are going to check and keep tabs on who is living aboard or staying on a boat docked behind a house... Most of these rules are there to prevent houseboats and semi derelicts.

    That is until a neighbor complaints because your aft deck is within 25' of their swimming pool and they feel their privacy is invaded
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    I have written to Broward Co, and will post the reply when and if received.

    After all, when the developers cut the canals they didn't do it just look pretty, it was for boats. As the world moves forward, bylaws can get left behind.
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    I grew up on the water in Broward County, in fact my mom has owned the same house I grew up in, in Lauderdale By The Sea since 1978. Back in the 80's you could liveaboard behind a house anywhere in Broward County. Then the canals all became cesspools of sewage (remember most boats didn't even have a holding tank back then, or if they did, didn't use it) and area's such as the Las Olas Isles had e-coli levels so high they weren't safe to swim in. After many complaints from neighbors and home owners, most if not all cities enacted ordinances saying that you could not liveaboard behind a private home. Then with the advent of pumpouts, some area's such as the Las Olas Isles, people installed pumpout stations behind their house or multi-family property and cities like Fort Lauderdale allow it in some area's such as there.....Or the docks were grandfathered in as long as they installed a pumpout station. I know that it is against city ordanance or code in many cities in Broward County.

    No, the cities generally don't investigate whether or not people are living aboard behind a house. BUT, in most all places, the neighbors will call the city and they'll come out and fine you and tell you to move asap.

    When developers built the canals for boats was back in the 40's and 50's and the common boat back then was a 15-25' and a 50' was rare and considered a big yacht and 75' + was a megayacht and rarely seen.

    Here is from City of Fort Lauderdale's website:

    In May 1997, the City adopted Ordinance C-97-11 requiring that vessels, where
    habitation is occurring, be connected to a marine sanitation system. The ordinance
    also requires all vessels to be connected to a marine sanitation system when certain
    water quality standards have not been met. Habitation aboard a floating vessel
    means overnight occupation of it by one or more persons, while the vessel is
    moored, docked or anchored in any of the public waterways within the City.
    Habitable vessel means a vessel that has a fitting that allows for the overboard
    discharge of wastewater from a toilet facility.
    This ordinance requires that all habitable vessels be connected at all times to a
    marine sanitation system when water quality test (s), taken adjacent to any real
    property located in certain zoning districts, exceed the fecal coliform density level. If
    test results, in accordance with the City’s testing protocol, exceed an acceptable
    level, the property owner will require the vessel(s) be connected to a marine
    sanitation system while moored or docked at the property.
    http://ci.ftlaud.fl.us/documents/compplan/compplan_vol2_coastal.pdf see page 12
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    dennismc Senior Member

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    The ordinance would seem to allow livaboard if the toilets are connected to a holding tank, if that is the case, how can they fine you ?
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    Wow!! "be connected to a marine sanitation system"

    I have to wonder how much did broward county spend on studies and legal advice to come up with this pathetic gem! Yeah all boats built since the 80s have holding tanks, which can be called marine sanitation system!


    As usual, let bureaucrats mess up something real simple! Just get a pump out boat and charge $10 to $20 a week..
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    based on the ordinance, would seem legal to stay on board behind a residence if you meet the sewage requirements. ?? need a test case