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  1. yahhter

    yahhter New Member

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    Hello! I'm an avid yacht fan and have been following the industry for years through the internet and through the forums here. I'm at the point now where I think I want to start looking for a yacht of my own
    Spent my whole life on the water and rowed crew in college, but unfortunately haven't own a boat larger than 16 feet in my life so am a bit over my head.

    My goal is to narrow down what kind of yacht I want to 2-3 boats, then charter those boats and make a decision from there. My problem is I don't know what kind of boat I want to charter and strongly consider buying.

    What I do know is this: a budget of 15-20 million (have extra for 10% a year upkeep) and would prefer range to be able to go to cross the the Atlantic ocean, enough interior space that myself and my family will be comfortable aboard for weeks/months at a time, and anywhere from 5-10 crew.

    I'm a big fan of the Amels limited range (specifically the 177 and 212 but have no clue have much they cost) Sunseeker 40M and maybe a Westport. I was wondering if there is another boat that fits my budget I should consider. Thanks for your help!
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Jumping on your first big boat can drive you crazy. The folks here on this forum have probably spent many lifetimes running, servicing, and owning just about everything that floats, and then some. When you start asking about specific models here, hang on.
    I do suggest that you and your family start a wish list of what and where you want to go and what you want to do. IE, if your not into scuba diving or underwater affairs, you may not want a submarine or decompression chamber.
    OR, if chartering in the off time, check into scuba offerings on board. Maybe these are not the best examples but I hope you get at what I'm trying to say.
    Next, Find a broker (not the little sea-ray guy down the street). Take this list with you. Be prepared for a new friend coming into your life. Pick up a tall file cabinet and reserve a wall in your home to tape up lots pictures.

    Good luck and stay in touch.
  3. yahhter

    yahhter New Member

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    Thanks for the reply rcrapps! You bring up a good point, we haven't really though exactly about where we want to go besides the fact we will spend the majority of the time in the Med or Eastern USA, but we won't purchase for at least a year. This summer is reserved for chartering 2-3 boats that we are strongly considering.
    Probably no submarine or decompression chamber and I should have mentioned chartering, we won't charter the boat because the boat will serve as a "retirement home" we likely won't leave for more than a week at a time.

    Thanks for the advice about the broker, will keep an eye out for a good one.
  4. Milow232

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    Mhm I think an older Wesport 130 (year 2001/2) should fit in your budget.
    These Limited Edition are as a new built 30% cheaper than others but I think they are still to expensive for you.

    But as already said think at first of what you want/need..
  5. yahhter

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    Thanks for the reply Milo! The westports are very nice and seem to be very high quality and little maintenance down the road. I have an idea what they cost, but still am very curious about the Sunseeker 40M and Amels 177 limited, does anyone know how much they cost to purchase, and to charter (to check out beforehand)
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    You might also feel tempted to take a look at the Ocea commuters. Very seakind vessels capable of serious cruising.
  7. nilo

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    what yacht is your type of yacht

    although this subject had been covered in a number of threads in this forum, i would still like to comment;

    you should 1st define your profile for boating and then look for the type of yacht that will make you happy. you have mentioned that you want the yacht to cross the atlantic on her own bottom. for this purpose neither west port nor sunseeker are very good alternatives. they are more build to cruise close to shore and not for long range cruising.

    amels is definitely a good choice, but a new amels will be beyond your budget. with your budget you can build in a 1st class yard a boat in the range of 35 meters and such a boat may give you a lot of space to cruise with family and friends. a displacement yacht will have a better range and better sea keeping, but would be slower. however, in my opinion even with a semi displacement yacht like the sunseekers and west ports people most of the time travel at displacement speeds (10-13 knots for that size).

    your decision to charter is a wise decision; i also suggest you employ consultants who may help you in the process.
  8. Capt J

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    Another type of yacht to consider in your price range and will handle all of your needs and wants would be along the lines of a Northern Marine, Nordhavn, a shadow boat, or other long range displacement motoryacht. All of those have the deck space to carry plenty of toys, real seakeeping abilities, and range. I'd also tend to be looking hard at steel hulls over fiberglass (although can still be acceptable) and definately over aluminum (not to say that Aluminum cannot be strong enough).

    I wouldn't even look at the Sunseeker for what you want to do. I also feel the Westport is more of a coastal cruiser as well.
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    I think your best resource is to attend one of the large boat shows Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, or Monaco. Nothing can substitute for seeing and feeling the scale of a yacht in person. Do you like the traditional look, modern sleek tri-deck, expedition style? Touring yachts of various sizes and styles should help you narrow the search significantly. From there, make your wish list of features important to you, many of which have been mentioned other responses here. One major item I would consider important is speed. Do you have unlimited time? If so, get a slower displacement yacht that will have a more comfortable ride, and be more economical to operate. If you have shorter periods of time and want the ability to cover more ground in a week or two then consider a faster design. Finally, consider hiring a captain early on in the process to help in the selection or construction process. A perspective from the crew side of the equation is important, as you will find that a boat designed for easier maintenance and crew comfort will pay off with crew retention. A happy crew makes for a happier owner!
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    Have you ever considered looking at a Moonen yacht?

    very well build, good looking and able to do world travelling.

    It's one of my favourite builders!!
  13. 84far

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    Hi,

    To charter a yacht in the 30-40m range you're looking at around $85,000 p/w in the lower end, and the top end seemed to be around the $150,000 p/w. There also seemed to be some nice boats on offer around $100,000 p/w.

    Those Amels you have taking fancy too would be out of the budget range that you have stated above - guessing the 177 ($50m+), 212 ($60m+). I'm pretty sure Tim Heywood has done the exterior design on those, plus Amels would more than likely have contracted an interior designer as well.

    Nilo seems to be on the money - 35m for a new build for the price stated. Possibly up to a 45m could be on the cards for a pre-owned.

    Just some thoughts. Cheers

    Far
  14. Capt J

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    Yes, Northlander is a nice boat. Also, one of the owners I worked for is friends with the owner and spent a couple of weeks traveling on it and had very good things to say about the boat.
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    As mentioned, an experienced consultant/broker will help you tremendously. There are a lot of wonderful yachts available. It is possible to purchase a beautiful existing yacht that is around six years old or newer for far less than a new build.

    After a couple of charters you will probably have a much better idea of how you really will want to use the yacht.

    Please keep us informed; it is always interesting to see the results of a personal yachting quest.
  16. nilo

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    building a yacht is not just owning a yacht

    i definitely agree that there are very good opportunities in the second hand market due to economic slow down; however, i know from personal experience that building a yacht is not just about owning a yacht, but more fulfilling a dream and being part of a creation. if one chooses this path, of course there are several challenges but rewards as well....