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Awlgrip - Problems with topcoats

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by david_japp, Dec 15, 2011.

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  1. david_japp

    david_japp Senior Member

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    A few years ago a number of people reportedly had problems with Awlgrip topcoats going cloudy and/ or having an orange peel effect finish . Awlgrip have told me that these problems were caused by a change in the new solvents they used and also because a new production facility had Teflon in the lines which affected a limited number of batches but that the problems are now resolved and there have been no recent problems. However one major Dutch yard has today told me that they still do not use Awlgrip because of these problems and has advised me against using Awlgrip - has anyone recently had any such similar problems with Awlgrip?
  2. T.K.

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  3. david_japp

    david_japp Senior Member

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    Awgrip problems

    Thanks for responding. I had in fact seen the numerous posts on Yachforums about the Awgrip topcoat problems but as mentioned in my recent thread, Awlgrip have told me these issues have all been fixed and that there have been no problems in the past 2 years. However, according to one private message I've been sent, that may not be true. In any event, can you tell me what type of material your boat is made from and do you use the entire Alexseal system or just the topcoat over another product base?
    Best
    DJ
  4. T.K.

    T.K. Senior Member

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    My boats are GRP and I do use the entire Alexseal system, primers, colours and topcoats.

    If you wish to speak to the company which paints my boats, please let me know and I will provide you with their contact details. They are a specialized company in the UK and they have vast experience with both systems, Alexseal and Awlgrip.They paint GRP, wood and metal hulls.

    Best regards, TK
  5. david_japp

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    Awlgrip alexseal

    Thanks- yes, please send me the details of the firm that painted your boats (is one of them the grp boat with unfaired hull?? :)
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    These are the two boats I have painted with the Alexseal system:

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  7. david_japp

    david_japp Senior Member

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    Awlgrip Alexseal

    Great looking boats.....his and hers? who painted them?
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    Thanks :).......I sent you a PM with the details of the company which did the paint work.
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    awlgrip

    In March of this year I seen two boats finished with awlgrip at a yard outside Ft Myers, I actually watched the application, came out like a mirror on both boats.
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    dennismc, have you seen them since? from what i heard, the issues come out after some months? i'm also interested to know if they have been resolved.
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    Awlgrip

    My first visit was in Feb and the boat sprayed was about 48 ft, then I was back in late march and a 65 ft was starting to get sprayed, there were no comments from the sprayer as regards the original 48, by the time I left the 65 was sparkling. spraying Awlgrip is not the easiest job to do really well, my experience before watching the above , was 2 coats maybe 3 max, this guy was a 5 coat process, more like misting it on, he indicated he could get better control of thickness etc that way, results seem to bear out his process....
    YMMV
  12. YPC1

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    Hey All,
    The problems I've been seeing the last years with Awlgrip Top Coats (and that's all of them) is in the Reflections.
    Yes, they did have some problems with the Orange Peel and Pin Holes, which were evidently caused by manufacturing problems.
    But the reflection problems are seemingly caused by recipe changes.
    What you see now (and it's getting harder to find a boat with the old recipes!!) is a reflection of Jumpiness. When looking at the boat from straight on, and not directly in the sun, it looks like the entire surface was hit with a big ball peen hammer. The reflections looking from a normal DOCK angle are jumpy. Some worse, and some better.
    I've seen this in both the G+H line as well as the Awlcraft line.
    Gloss and smoothness up close, still look amazing, it's the reflections and DOI from a short distance that's disturbing.

    And yes, this problem gets progressively worse with time.
    The new HS seems to get this problem even faster than the other 2.
    I'm told that there is a new line coming, but have no references as of date.
    Hope to have given some light, and am most interested to hear any comments.
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    If it's Owl Creek boatyard over there. The painter that paints boats there has done really nice paint jobs for years and years.....I've seen a few really nice ones come out of there as well.
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    Yep, that's where it was, I also sprayed myself some Awlgrip on my 70 ft here in BC 2 yrs ago without any orangepeel or strange reflections, just the odd run...
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    Yeah, orange peel is usually caused by too quick of an accelerator, not enough reducer, or the painter not flowing/spraying the paint correctly. Runs are usually caused by spraying it too wet or too much reducer.
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    Yep, paint was 21 seconds, the gun went bad, had to switch to backup, nozzle was for hibuild, a tad too large for topcoat but turned out ok as was smaller areas
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    awlgrip problems

    the Dutch office of Awlgrip told me last week (Dec 2011) that all these issues have been resolved ....do you have any thoughts/comments ..do you still think Awlgrip should be avoided and/or are there any particular precautions we can take? FYI we plan to have Foxs of Ipswich do the entire job of blasting, filling, fairing and painting and they a registered Awlgrip dealer with considerable experience of their products and the entire process will be supervised and monitored by a qualified local surveyor who also has considerable experience of painting steel boats