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Servicing a SeaFire Automatic system

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  1. CSkipR

    CSkipR Member

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    In our boat is a SeaFire automatic fire extinquisher system that needs to be serviced. Model FM-200. Does anyone know who services these units that is close to the Daytona, Fl area.
    Thanks
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  3. SDA

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    Fixed Fire Extinguisher Service

    In my experience many folks who "service" thes eunits do little more than a visual inspection. Make certain that, before you contract with a firm to do this that they supply you with a description of what the will do. For instance will they unship and weigh the bottle, will they test the manual release cable, will they test the automatic shutdown system, will they ensure the original installation complies with the manufacturer's installation guidelines (many don't)?

    Many such companies are oriented toward industrial, lamd-based or large commercial systems and thus don't understand yachts. Not saying the named firm does or doesn't, simply recommending you get a clear picture of what they will do before allowing them to do it. I've inspected many systems that had been inspected and tagged by seeming professional service firms that were in fact out out of compliance.

    You might also call Sea-Fire for a recommendation.
  4. Capt J

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    I think seafire's are un-servicable and the only thing they check is the gauge on the bottle. They also should check the manual over-ride (obviously with the bottle disconnected.) and the engine shutdown aspect when the bottle goes off.
  5. Capt Ralph

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    They weigh the whole bottle. Somewhere is a stamp or sticker that gives the full bottle weight. AND DOT hydro testing every 5 years.
    I have a reliable digital scale and weigh mine and update the maintenance tag and ships log. Unless your utilizing you boat in a fancy build class, fresh handheld units that meet the requirements will pass any survey. We have about 3 times as required scattered throughout the boat. Halon, dry chem and CO2 near the electrical panels. Hand helds can be quickly checked and new ones purchased for about the same cost as inspection (except for the old CO2 and halon bottles).
    I did have one insurance surveyor who questioned my operation and I explained;
    Those big 1301 bottles down there are not required. But they are very nice to have. He tested the shutdown system and was satisfied.

    If your inquiring about servicing / refilling a discharged bottle,,, go purchase another one. Also, consider the next larger sized unit if you have room.
  6. SDA

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    In response to Capt J, Sea-Fire units can be serviced in that they can be refilled provided the clean agent the unit uses is still available, and FM 200 is. FM 200 by the way is ideal in that it's designed for occupied spaces, which means it won't kill or injur occupants should it discharge while the space is occupied. I spend a lot of time in engine rooms; reason I prefer agents that are safe for occupied areas.

    In response to Rcrapps, the bottle's volume should be appropriate for the volume of the engine room and no more. BTW, when measuting volume no deductions are made for any equipment except fuel tanks and as such there's already an element of overkill. And, the bottle volume/coverage area already includes a safety margin. Many folks mistakenly believe that more is better and from the perspective of extinguishing the fire that's correct, however, if you are relying on the agent to remain non-lethal, once the design concentration is exceeded this is no longer guaranteed. In short, avoid oversizing and stick with non-lethal agents like FM 200.
  7. Capt Ralph

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    It was late again and I should have explained more. In my crawling around a few bilges, I have noticed many under (or just barley correct) sized bottles for the cubic footage of an engine room. Boat assemblers put bottles in that may just work (not to bet on).
    An owner and myself did measure out an ER and deducted for everything we could think of including our bodies, the numbers still came up short.
    Since displacing O2 is the first role of any Halon/FA type system, I would prefer to have to much than to little.
    I'm not continuing any card game in the ER if a large enough of a fire breaks out and trips a bottle. Escape, close the hatch behind you and let the FA do it's work.
  8. CSkipR

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    Thanks guys got it serviced from Advanced Fire in Daytona. Definitely would recommend them for any boat. Great job weighed tank, checked whole system and certified.
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    Your misunderstanding of how the chemical works is what will lead to your creating a dangerous condition.

    FM200 and Halon do not work by "displacing oxygen." They break the chemical reaction that produces a flame. The amount required to suppress a fire is only around 6 to 7 percent by volume and that is why they are considered "safe" to use in an occupied space.

    By adding more than is required you are eliminating one of the most important reasons for using FM200 or Halon rather than the much cheaper CO2 systems.

    If you are going to go into the fire protection design business it helps to understand how the stuff works. And for Heaven's sake, don't go around advising other people how to use something you don't understand.
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    correction

    I was wrong on how it worked. (old school). Thank you on making me look it up.
    My thought on the mfg's recommendations of bottle size per cubic foot should still be considered.

    Quote from a Halon site;

    It is a common misconception that Halon, like CO2, "removes oxygen from the air.
    According to the Halon Alternative Research Corporation (www.harc.org): "Three things must come together at the same time to start a fire. The first ingredient is fuel (anything that can burn), the second is oxygen and the last is an ignition source. Traditionally, to stop a fire you need to remove one side of the triangle-the ignition, the fuel or the oxygen. Halon adds a fourth dimension to fire fighting-breaking the chain reaction. It stops the fuel, the ignition and the oxygen from working together by chemically reacting with them."