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  1. FredBMOC

    FredBMOC New Member

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    Hi everyone, Fred here from the boating capital of the world, Fort Lauderdale, FL :)

    I have been lurking around YF for a few weeks reading as much as I can about different manufacturers, models, propulsion systems, etc; so much to learn! In any case this site has been very informative so far ! thanks :D

    I am getting closer to making a decision as far as what boat I would like to buy but wanted to see if I could get some input from all of you. My wife and I are looking for a sport cruiser; preferably 3 cabins: master, VIP and one with bunks for kids; primary uses of the boat will be for cruising around the ICW, day tripping around South Florida and for weekend and week long trips to the Bahamas. We would like to be able to invite another family with a child to come with us that is why we would like the 3 cabin set up. Budget Wise we are trying to stay under $500k so you can guess that we are looking at some older vessels, anywhere from 3 to 10 years old. I am really trying to make it no older than 2000 and still be under the $500k if I can do it but know that it is very possible that either my budget or my age limitation may have to be dropped to get this deal done. We have just begun looking and so far we have looked at very few boats. The standout so far is a Viking V58 ( over my budget but lovely boat!); also seen the Sunseeker Predator 56-60-61 ( should be able to get close to budget), Neptunus 55, Atlantis 55 and also a couple of Pershings ( my wife loves the Pershings!.) We have also thought about going the Intrepid or Sea Vee route but my wife wants a little more luxury than that this time as we have had center consoles in the past. A friend of mine who is a marine electronics man has also suggested we look at Tiara as he says are great boats and easier to work on but I think he is just trying to make sure that when I call him for help playing around the boat to fix things he won't have to crawl on his belly too much :eek:
    With thses details in mind, my question refers to what manufacturers or boat families tend to hold up better or in other words age better; also if you care to offer suggestions as to what specific boats might fit the bill for us please feel free to chime in. As further info, my wife and I are kayakers, Stand up paddleboarders, divers and we have been playing with the idea of doing some kite surfing so we would like room in the boat for some toys.
    Thanks ink advance for all the help!

    Fred
    Fort Lauderdale, FL
  2. Capt J

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    The Neptunus 55's 2006? or newer are nice boats and easy to maintain. However, one boat, totally in your price range and a good fit would be a (2000 or newer) 56' Searay Sedan bridge or the 55' that replaced it. The Searay's are relatively simple to maintain and won't eat you out of house and home with issues like the Sunseeker's and Pershings will.
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    CaptJ, Thanks for the reply! I'll check the Sea Ray; I was invited to a party at the dealer this weekend so I am sure I'll get to see a few of them there; however, plee correct me if I'm wrong but from memory I think the sedan bridge doesn't have a lower helm and this would be a problem for me. I would rather have a smaller salon and have the lower helm so I can be with my guests rather than isolated in the bridge or have the set up with the retractable roof over the salon so that I can enjoy the inside/outside experience albeit with a smaller salon. Regardless, I'll check on the SeaRays as well as on the Neptunus.
    Thanks again!
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    Welcome

    Down here in so fl I think you ll find that you and your guests will end up on the flybridge and rarely down in the saloon and lower helm. Better view, less noise, etc. Another critical area down here is the aft deck/cockpit, this is where you will spend most of your time when anchored, not inside. You want enough seating for your typical group

    Tiaras are indeed well built but a lot smaller than a flybridge boat.

    Marquis may be worth looking at, pretty much similar to sea ray in quality

    You best bet at this point is to search yacht world and see what appeals to you
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    Pascal, I'll keep that in mind as I search and I'll add some fly bridge boats to our search.

    Thanks,
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    Fred, the Sea Ray Sedan Bridges in 50'-56' range do come with a lower helm as you can see in the pic of my boat. (That's a sun shade on the front windshield)

    I bought mine last year in Michigan and had it transported to Portland, OR for reassembly, then we cruised it 225 miles up the Columbia River to our area.

    When you're doing your searches for boats, don't overlook the Great Lakes areas. The boats there are all freshwater boats, they have a very short season (Memorial Day to Labor Day) so they tend to have low hours, and because the economy in that area has been so bad for a long time, the supply of used boats is plentiful and the prices are attractive. Even after paying shipping costs on my boat I still saved money compared to west coast pricing on similar boats.

    If you have any specific questions about the 550 Sedan Bridge (or similar sizes), fire away.

    GFC
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    You mentioned Sport Cruisers, but several of the boats you mentioned are Express Cruisers. Looking for a lower helm station indicates there is an upper so that means Sport Cruiser. Having captained an '02 50' Viking SC for several years I'm very partial to them, and they have the lower helm station. However the 3rd stateroom on most 50's in this style boat (regardless of manufacturer) is almost a joke, more of a closet. I believe Viking SC have a 54 and a 60, not sure what else depending on the year. Good boats. I can tell you that a nice 50 from '03/'04 is running 300K to 400K. I'd expect the sell price maybe under 3. So something a bit larger could fit your budget. Also consider fuel consumption. Some of the boats you mentioned run fast, but burn well over 100 gph.
    BTW, GFC made a good point. If you're looking for a boat with a lower helm station, look up north. That's more of a northern feature.
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    Nycap, thanks fir the suggestions! I guess you are correct and I am looking for an express cruiser rather than a sport cruiser ; got to learn the terminology better :eek:
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    That's more the So. Florida style. So forget the lower helm station. Express's only have a lower. I used to run a 60 Preditor (Sunseeker). Nice layout. 2 queens and a nice double. The helm is inside with a retractable roof, nice upper salon area, and nice garage. An '02 should be close to your price. The one I ran, with 1050 Manns cruised at about 36 knts, burned 106 gph and garnered a lot of attention at the docks. However it shrank when we got it to Lauderdale. Immediately upon coming through the 17 St bridge one came out of Pier 66. My owner asked if it was a 50. I replied no it's an 80.:eek: Hard town to impress in.:D
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    Luckily, I'm not trying to impress anyone or else Id be in trouble her:pe.
    I'm going to see a predator 56 tomorrow and there are a couple of 61s that look like could be nice and not too far off the budget. I'm also going to see a Neptune 55 tomorrow that s supposed to be pristine.

    Wish me luck!

    Thanks for the suggestions


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    GFC, thanks for the suggestion and the offer. I am certainly looking at the Great Lakes area for boats.
    Best Regards,
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    Watch out for all the little details... Many of the "flashy" builders put style above function resulting in some stupid and sometimes dangerous flaws

    Earlier this year i was docked next to a new 60 ish sunseeker. Same finger pier from which i could step onto the platform. The Seeker had a very stylish streamlined platform and transom onto which none of the female guests could step on... Took them 10 minutes to get on board, one of them almost ended up in the drink

    Just a not so small example

    There were other bonehead design flaws too, like BLACK sunpad. Must be great in the UK but it doesn't work in Florida...
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    Pascal, thanks! I'll try to be on the look out for the silly designs that hinder instead of help.
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    Thanks everyone for the input thus far!
    Yesterday I went to see 2 boats:
    2007 55 Neptunus Cabrio; beautiful and immaculate boat; could still detect the smell of resin as on a new boat. Could eat off the floor of the engine room! And the Cat 15 engines were so clean and pretty :D and had the electronic panels in the helm. This was a really nice and solid boat and basically nothing needs to be done to it. Newer electronics. Flawless! But a bit above my current proposed budget although still very doable.
    2002 56 Sunseeker Predator; great boat but older. The interior was surprisingly clean, no funny smells and very little needs to be done there. Engine room not as clean, nothing horrible either just older, outfitted with MAN D2848LE403 engines. Electronics are a mixture of some older and newer stuff, could use some money to make better but not 100% required. This boat is well within the proposed budget and would leave money in reserves for clean up and upgrades.
    I also saw a 2004? sunseeker Portofino 44 but not what I want, so no comments.
    Both boats had pluses and minuses but very subjectively speaking, and without doing a seatrial, survey etc, I liked the Sunseeker better:eek:. Even though on paper it is only a foot longer it really felt like a much bigger boat. The salon and cabins below had a more open feeling and the upper salon/deck also felt more spacious. I also liked the driving position better on the Predator and with the top open even more so. On both boats, with a dingy/tender on the hydraulic platform, the platform becomes very crowded and pretty useless for day boating and for kids to just play on the water, diving etc but I can think of ways to get around this objection on both boats. The predator 61 has a garage which should negate this concern and the layout is very similar to the 56 I looked at so I am encouraged to go look at one.
    Tomorrow I go see another Neptunus 55 that has a different layout in both cabin and deck areas; a 55 Atlantis, a 56 Aicon and a 50 Sunseeker Camargue.
    Overall a fun afternoon of playing around boats, ducking into engine rooms and looking at little details of the boats and trying to imagine how my family and friends would use the boats.

    Life is good! cheers,
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    Tender on the platform is a big issue to me, it s always in the way. That s why i like FBs... You just get the tender up and it s out of the way.


    Mans are another deal killed to me... Maintenance costs are MUCH higher than Cats. Just compare routine service costs... For instance I can tell you that the last two services I ve done on Cat 3412s (1400hp) at 1000 and 3000 hrs were about $2500 to 3000 per engine.

    Check out service intervals on Mans and get a quote...
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    I hear you on the MANs but what other go fast style express cruisers in the 55-60 foot range are made that use Cats? I guess I'll spend th night tonight trying to find something. ;-)
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    I happen to manage/maintain the 2007 55' Neptunus Cabrio that you are talking about. It is indeed a well maintained and very nice boat that needs nothing. The engines are still under warranty, and the CAT 500hr service was recently done on them as was the bottom paint. It is truely turn key.

    I also "used to" manage the 2006 55' Neptunus with the 2 stateroom layout, until the owner switched brokers and allowed the brokers people to care for it. I've heard from another buyer that the 2006, I used to manage is not nearly in as nice of shape as when I managed it. According to him "It looks like nobody has touched it since it left you 6 months ago." PM me if you have any questions on either boat. I also managed another 2006 55' Royale "55 Royale", that sold and went to Portland, OR. The 55' Neptunus' are a good running boat and I've done a lot of long trips on them and they perform and handle well and are very comfortable to spend 10 days on at a time. I would prefer a Neptunus over a Sunseeker any day.
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    Small world this one CaptJ! ;-) Today we went and saw the 2006 Neptunus 55; a nice boat as well with some very desirable features such as the desalinator and the hard backing but as you have been advised by others, the boat just didn't show as well as the 2007 so congratulations to you CaptJ on keeping the 2007 in really top shape! We have read, and heard from different people that the Neptunus are wonderful boats, Unfortunately, neither I nor my wife really fell in love with the Neptunus ;-( I can't even put my finger on what exactly it was that didn't appeal to me but the main thing for me is the upper salon area is almost too formal and I really like better the more laid back, open to the outdoor environment set up on the Viking and the SS Predator.
    I'm going to keep searching for boats and something will come up that checks most of the boxes of what we are looking for, time is on our side. If all else fails I'll probably just look for a good Intrepid for half as much as we are going to spend on an express cruiser and the difference will pay for a lot of hotel room nights in the islands when we go there ;-)
    Cheers and thanks for all the help and encouragement so far!
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    The 2007' has EZ2CY on the back that you can completely take off just like the Viking or Predator. I can tell you this, down here in South Florida there will be very few times during the year that you will ever take it off, it's always either too cold or too hot, and having a/c or heat is much prefered.

    I delivered a Viking 58' with the open back that had strataglass, getting in and out of the bridge area was always a pain. The 58' Viking EC was fast 30 knots cruise, but VERY noisy downstairs at cruise from the water passing underneath it. It did ride pretty nice though. However the retractable Canvas roof on it, also was always an issue, it leaked and always looked dirty. I had the 2006 Neptunus looking as nice as the 2007.......once upon a time.
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    Yeah, the 58 I saw had signs that the retractable canvas roof leaks or leaked in the past. No perfect boat in the world. ...:eek:
    Thanks for the help!