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Discussion in 'Licensing & Education' started by ychtcptn, Jan 11, 2014.

  1. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

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    Indeed drug and alcohol checks are standard after serious accidents, unless your last name starts with a K and you go in hiding for a few hours :)

    Seriously there has never been any proof than holding a license holds you to higher standards and liability. In your case you experience may be held against you anyway.

    Capt j is right, your license makes it easier to be converted by the vessel insurance anyway without having to jump thru extra hoop.

    Otherwise, what are we going to call you here? NYGUY123? :)

    As to LOA to log, 12' is too small, I remember looking just for kicks to see if our lil cat boat qualifies not that either me or Naomi have issues with documenting sea time. I think the minimum is 14 or 15...
  2. Norseman

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    That there describes my situation: Have not ran a boat for a living or done commercial work in years, but good to have the ticket in my back pocket should I go broke or need a gig for fun.
    I see no liability or problems being on friends boats and holding a ticket.
  3. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    Pascal, to those who know me I'll always be 'the captain' or 'capt. Ed'. The salt is thoroughly intigrated with my blood, and no license will ever change that. However, after many years in the collection business and married, I answer to almost anything.:)
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  4. Capt J

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    If you've talk about getting paid to do a trip, whether you get paid up front or at the end, you are still considered getting paid to do the trip.
  5. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    I can assure you that I would not be accepting pay if such an incident happened. Would much rather give up a few hundred dollars than my home.
  6. Ellen Birrell

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    APPLICANT'S AGE We are assisting an 18 year old in obtaining a USCG Six-pack License. Can his "Minimum 360 days of Sea Time" be derived from past several years when he was not yet 18 years old?
  8. olderboater

    olderboater Senior Member

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    You can count from the age of 16.
  9. Ellen Birrell

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    Thank you. Yes, now have found the link to that detail.
  10. rocdiver

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    As a free lance Captain this is a great question. I often move vessels around for owners I have never even met. As is often the case, I never know what electronics are on the boat or how well they are maintained. I always bring my own hand held gps and laptop with my own charting software (Nobletec is my favorite). At the end of the trip, things like total time underway, max speed, average speed, etc. look very good on the invoice.

    I provide printouts to the USCG at renewal time and have never been questioned. Hello, who signs off for sea time for the Captain? It's definitely an honor system, just as me signing off for crew sea time.

    Best,
    ROCK
  11. shaneaeiou

    shaneaeiou New Member

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    I thought this was interesting:

    §10.232 Sea service

    (e) Sea service on vessels that do not get underway. This requirement applies to service obtained on vessels mandated by the Certificate of Inspection (COI) which are in operation but do not get underway or occasionally get underway for short voyages. Service while the vessel is not underway must be credited as follows:

    (1) Engineering department. Service may be credited day-for-day for up to 50 percent of the service credit for renewal, raise in grade, and original issue for each day the engineering plant is operational.

    (2) Deck department. Service may be credited as follows:

    (i) Original issue and raise in grade. Service is creditable on a 3-for-1 basis (12 months of experience equals 4 months of creditable service) for up to 6 months of service credit.

    (ii) Renewal. Service in any capacity in the deck department is creditable as closely related service under §10.227(e)(1)(iv). When submitted in combination with underway service, service is creditable on a 3-for-1 basis (12 months of experience equals 4 months of creditable service) for up to 6 months of service credit.
  12. rcrapps

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    Was there a question in there?
  13. ychtcptn

    ychtcptn Senior Member

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    Thanks for the info Shaneaeiou.

    I had yet to see that section and as I went thru the renewal about a year ago would have been helpful. I submitted my time aboard and they still made me take the at home tests, even though I had 5 years of full employment. Granted when they responded I did not follow up and push the issue, as I knew I did not have the proper days at sea.

    Next time I will surely bring this up to take care of at least six months worth of sea time, and I am sure I will have at least 6 month of underway time.
  14. Ken Bracewell

    Ken Bracewell Senior Member

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    Randy- I'm not sure that will work on a yacht. This regulation is for vessels such as Oil Spill Response vessels. Read the part about COI
  15. Capt J

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    For some license levels one can take a "refresher course" at MPT and it replaces seatime and you can renew that way.
  16. CaptPKilbride

    CaptPKilbride Senior Member

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    It does not replace seatime.
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title46-vol1/pdf/CFR-2010-title46-vol1-sec10-227.pdf

    "(8) Except as provided in paragraph (d)(8)(viii) of this section, the applicant must meet the following professional requirements for renewal: (i) The applicant must either— (A) Present evidence of at least one year of sea service during the past five years; (B) Pass a comprehensive, open-book exercise covering the general subject matter contained in appropriate sections of subpart (I) of this part; (C) Complete an approved refresher training course; or (D) Present evidence of employment in a position closely related to the operation, construction, or repair of vessels (either deck or engineer as appropriate) for at least three years during the past five years. An applicant for a deck license or officer endorsement with this type of employment must also demonstrate knowledge on an applicable Rules of the Road open-book exercise. "
  17. Capt J

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    Yes, C complete an approved refresher training course. But looks like it's only good for up to a 100 GT master.
  18. CaptPKilbride

    CaptPKilbride Senior Member

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    Yep. Interesting that on MPT's website they mention other options for higher tonnage licenses, but I do not see that they have any course approvals for that scenario.

    Additionally, there are then requirements for renewing your STCW part of your credential above and beyond the requirements of renewing the domestic credential. I found myself in this situation some years ago when I wasn't getting the days I needed, I ended up taking an STCW Deck Officer Refresher course as well as a BST refresher.
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