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134m ‘Serene’ runs aground in Red Sea

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by jeduardo, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. T.K.

    T.K. Senior Member

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    Let's not get into the double standard matter. This is of no relevance to the issue at hand.
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    As tempting as it may be to highlight the hypocrisy (and oh, how tempting is it indeed) T.K. is right... we don't want to go down that rabbit hole. This isn't the place.

    And I don't feel like spending my Friday afternoon editing this thread. ;)
  3. olderboater

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    Paul Allen handled his situation with tremendous class. However, he didn't make public his offer of settlement, nor has it been made public. Settlement offers should not be made public. When they are, it's simply one trying to manipulate public response. The owner has no obligation to make any public statement. The owner does have an obligation to compensate for any damage and we have no idea if any offers or discussions have transpired. The owner has no obligation outside those harmed, none to us, the general public.

    I am not a public figure (both of the above mentioned owners are) and I can state without hesitation that if I was on a boat that ended up as this one, I would supply no photos and I would make no public statement. I would move quickly to compensate for any damages, but even that would, in my case, be potentially slowed by insurers since I do not have the wealth of the owner of this yacht.

    I don't know what was taking place on the boat. I suspect I would find it appalling since I find nearly everything involving the owner and his family appalling. That's really irrelevant to any requirement to make public statements or share information publicly, however.
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  4. RER

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    Let's not confuse trying to keep photos of your mistake off the internet with not taking responsibility for it. Whether he does or not, one doesn't have anything to do with the other.
  5. T.K.

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    The amount of settlement is of no concern to us, however I would consider a published news article addressed to the public stating the fact that a settlement has been agreed and carried out and that retoration work to the protected reef has been initiated, the same as a public statement. The news article would have been certainly published with the owner's consent.

    The following news article and there are also other articles is in my opinion a public statement on behalf of Paul Allen admitting the fault and admitting to the settlement:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897652/Billionaire-Paul-Allen-settles-Cayman-Islands-protected-reef-damage-caused-300-foot-super-yacht.html

    The article resolves any confusion and puts the public at rest and ensures the world and those concerned that corrective measures have been implemented and that the incident was not simply forgotten or covered up or resolved in favour of the owner of the yacht which caused the destruction.
  6. olderboater

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    There may be such an article, but there was not in this time frame regarding Paul Allen. That was well after the incident. We're not to that time yet on Selene. I don't know who there is to settle with and have no idea what kind of settlement might or might not happen. Then whatever the involved parties wish to share they can. What if the owner pays an extra 50 million not to disclose the settlement? It's very common in settlements to pay extra for an agreement that it is not an admission of fault and the amount is not to be disclosed.

    You state "a public statement on behalf of Paul Allen admitting the fault". Never at any time did Paul Allen admit fault. He was very careful. He's been very well taught by his team of lawyer's. He admitted it was his boat, actually Vulcan's boat, but Vulcan's contention was that it was the fault of the port authority. The article you just referenced states clearly,
    "The statement released Monday says the settlement was made 'without admissions' but says it will help create 'a permanent mooring solution' in the park."
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    Err...Don't believe a word ever uttered by the Daily Mail.

    I would have more confidence with any of the rubbish Sean Spicer or Stephen Miller spouted to the Press.

    Complete Garbage!
  8. T.K.

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    Good morning Olderboater / Fish,

    Admission to a fault does not always require words or clear statements. Agreeing to pay a fine or a settlement for an incident without verbal or written admission of the fault is in a way a "silent admission" of the fault. Nobody will pay a fine if he believes his innocence. It is a Gentlemen's way of ending a conflict and a very intelligent way of "saying I am sorry" without expressing the apology in words. Paul Allen is a Gentleman.

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